You know Ted, I'm really tired of your holier than thou attitude. I appreciate that you help here, but you're not the only knowledgeable person and, frankly, more of your answers are snide than helpful. You don't know what you are talking about, because you don't know how I use my computer. Obviously I use it differently than you do, installing and uninstalling many, many programs. That leaves crap. No way around it. Do you do programming on your machine? Run betas of complex systems? Use your machine with 4 tuner cards? I do this and more. So get off your soapbox. Tom