IC7-Max3 - Quetsion on hard drive on SATA

Looney · Oct 17, 2003

Ok Got IC7-Max3 board and set up went well. I have to SATA 150 Maxtor 80GIG drives. One in SATA 1 and the other in SATA 2. After loading Windows XP, (non SPC1), I can only see the one drive as C drive. What do I need to do to see the other drive? Sorry, I'm new to this SATA buisness. I'm upgrading from an Abit KT&a Raid. All I want to do is use the 2nd drive as storage and not use RAID. Also would like to add a Maxtor 40GIG ATA100 drive to the IDE next if it can be done. This will also be used as storage. Thanks for any and all help.

IC7- Max3-mother board
VGA - ATI A-I-W RADEON 9800 PRO 128M
POWER SUPPLY - ASPIRE ATX-AS500-BL12V
CPU - P4/3.0CGHz 800M 478P/512K HT
DDRAM - 1GB TWINX1024-3700PT Corsair
HD 80G MAXTOR SATA
CD ROM - DVD+/-RW PLEXTOR

TomG · Oct 18, 2003

does the XP Disc Management under Computer Administration see the other drive? Does the drive show in Device Manager? if the drive shows in Device Manager and in the Disc Management then all you need to do is to right click on it in Disc Manager and partition and then format. if it is not showing in either of those places, then for some reason, it is not being seen by the system.

in the second event, are you sure you have the SI controller enabled in the bios? you can enable it but not enable the raid mode and raid bios and that will work or you can enable the raid mode and bios as well. in either case, XP should see the device (the controller) and then load drivers for it and the controller should show in Device Manager under SCSI and Raid Controllers. look to see if you see the SI controller under SCSI & Raid Controllers.

Courseyauto · Oct 18, 2003

XP operating system wont see the drive unless it is formated first. I had to format mine first with xp install disk and then went in and removed the temp folders,or you can reformat it with disk manager once XP sees it. DOUG

Looney · Oct 18, 2003

AHH yes. I got to thinking about that last night, about the new drive not being formatted. But didn't really know how about doing it. To make along story short, you both helped me alot. Deeply appriciated.

Just one more Question and this new system goes to my workroom... In device manager I still have one more eclaimation mark and that would be for the Universal Serial Bus (USB). I have installed Window XP SP1. Where wold I find the drivers for USB? Again thank you.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:01:12 -0500, Looney <looney2looney.net@> wrote:

Ok Got IC7-Max3 board and set up went well. I have to SATA 150 Maxtor 80GIG drives. One in SATA 1 and the other in SATA 2. After loading Windows XP, (non SPC1), I can only see the one drive as C drive. What do I need to do to see the other drive? Sorry, I'm new to this SATA buisness. I'm upgrading from an Abit KT&a Raid. All I want to do is use the 2nd drive as storage and not use RAID. Also would like to add a Maxtor 40GIG ATA100 drive to the IDE next if it can be done. This will also be used as storage. Thanks for any and all help.

IC7- Max3-mother board
VGA - ATI A-I-W RADEON 9800 PRO 128M
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Courseyauto · Oct 18, 2003

ust one more Question and this new system goes to my workroom... In device manager I still have one more eclaimation mark and that would be for the Universal Serial Bus (USB). I have installed Window XP SP1. Where wold I find the drivers for USB? Again thank you.

They are on the motherboard chipset installation CD. DOUG

TomG · Oct 18, 2003

drivers for usb are in the OS. if you have installed SP1 and other updates, then delete the device from Device Manager and then scan for new hardware and it will install, most likely.

Looney · Oct 18, 2003

Another Question:
With the 2 80gig hardrives still in the SATA 1 and 2, I connected a 3rd harddrive,(a Maxtor 40gig ATA100), trying both the IDE Controller 1 and 2 and even though this drive has been formatted I am unable to get it to come up in Windows XP. Nor can i see it in Devise Manager or Computer Management. I have tried every setting I can think of in the BIOS/OnChip IDE Devices/OnChip Serial ATA . I can get it to read all 3 drive while in the "auto" setting and see it in bootup as well as in the BIOS/Standard CMOS Features.But not so in the other settings. When I continue to boot it stops when trying to find the OS or just can't find the Primary Drive to boot from. Any sudgestions. BTW thanks you two for the USB help. deleting the device in Devise Maniager worked and Windows found the drivers on the next boot up. Being a novis at all this I deeply appriciate the support from this group. I couldn't have build my last 2 system without folks like you two. A big THANK YOU.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:01:12 -0500, Looney <looney2looney.net@> wrote:

Ok Got IC7-Max3 board and set up went well. I have to SATA 150 Maxtor 80GIG drives. One in SATA 1 and the other in SATA 2. After loading Windows XP, (non SPC1), I can only see the one drive as C drive. What do I need to do to see the other drive? Sorry, I'm new to this SATA buisness. I'm upgrading from an Abit KT&a Raid. All I want to do is use the 2nd drive as storage and not use RAID. Also would like to add a Maxtor 40GIG ATA100 drive to the IDE next if it can be done. This will also be used as storage. Thanks for any and all help.

IC7- Max3-mother board
VGA - ATI A-I-W RADEON 9800 PRO 128M
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TomG · Oct 19, 2003

try it with the setting at auto and then you need to set the boot priority in the Advanced Bios Features screens.

Looney · Oct 21, 2003

Thanks a mil TomG. everything is working as it should. any sugestions on tweaking and peaking this Baby? My ATI 9800 pro is mixed in with some other iRQ's. Is there a way to get the vidio card to run on a sepporate IRQ?

System Information report written at: 10/21/03 19:51:43
System Name: RODNEY
[IRQs]

Resource Device Status
IRQ 9 Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System OK IRQ 16 ALL-IN-WONDER 9800 SERIES OK IRQ 16 Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D2 OK IRQ 16 Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24DE OK IRQ 18 Intel(R) PRO/1000 CT Network Connection OK IRQ 18 Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D7 OK IRQ 18 Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller OK IRQ 18 Intel(R) 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controllers OK IRQ 19 Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D4 OK IRQ 19 Silicon Image SiI 3114 SATARaid Controller OK IRQ 23 Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller OK IRQ 0 System timer OK IRQ 8 System CMOS/real time clock OK IRQ 13 Numeric data processor OK IRQ 6 Standard floppy disk controller OK IRQ 12 PS/2 Compatible Mouse OK IRQ 1 Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard OK IRQ 14 Primary IDE Channel OK IRQ 15 Secondary IDE Channel OK IRQ 7 Intel(R) 82801EB SMBus Controller - 24D3 OK IRQ 17 Realtek AC'97 Audio OK

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:28:35 -0400, "TomG"
wrote:

try it with the setting at auto and then you need to set the boot priority in the Advanced Bios Features screens.

TomG · Oct 21, 2003

don't worry at all about your video card sharing an IRQ... makes no difference in the real world. as far as tweaking, when you have everything stable, then you want to lock the pci/agp busses and then start raising the FSB. You may have to change the RAM ratio to 5:4 to see how high the FSB can go with the NB set to 800 (assuming an 800 internal FSB cpu...)

Looney · Oct 25, 2003

ACK!!!
Can't get it up past "Estimated CPU Clock - 202/66/33". which gives me CPU speed of 3035MHz and a Ssystem Bus of 809 MHz QDR. Also I can't switch DRAM Ratio from 1.1 to 5.4 because it won't boot after the change. If I go past 202/66/33 in Estimated GPU Clock I loose my HardDrives and can't boot to OS. Everything is stable at Defaukt setting. Any more suggestions? Thanks.

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:31:20 -0400, "TomG"
wrote:

don't worry at all about your video card sharing an IRQ... makes no difference in the real world. as far as tweaking, when you have everything stable, then you want to lock the pci/agp busses and then start raising the FSB. You may have to change the RAM ratio to 5:4 to see how high the FSB can go with the NB set to 800 (assuming an 800 internal FSB cpu...)

Looney · Oct 26, 2003

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:01:42 -0500, Looney <looney2looney.net@> wrote:

ACK!!!
Can't get it up past "Estimated CPU Clock - 202/66/33". which gives me CPU speed of 3035MHz and a Ssystem Bus of 809 MHz QDR. Also I can't switch DRAM Ratio from 1.1 to 5.4 because it won't boot after the change. If I go past 202/66/33 in Estimated GPU Clock I loose my HardDrives and can't boot to OS. Everything is stable at Defaukt setting. Any more suggestions? Thanks.

TomG · Oct 26, 2003

first, you need to lock the PCI/AGP busses at 33/66. That way, you won't loose the PCI based devices when you start to overclock.

I can't imagine why you can't switch the ram *down* in speed by going to the 80% ratio of 5:4 with the NB set to 800. be sure that you do not have the PAT/GAT setting at anything other than Auto for this testing. Ram timings may have to be relaxed during your testing as well and can then be tightened back up (possibly) after you get the max cpu FSB speed determined.

Looney · Oct 26, 2003

And right you are again. Thanks Tom.
So far I have the Internal Clock : 3347.78 MHz, with
System Bus : 892.74 MHz QDR
System Clock : 223.19 MHz
Multiplier : 15.0
DRAM Ratio @ 1.1
Cas Latency Time=3
Act To PreCharge Delay=5
DRAM RAS# To CAS# Delay=3
DRAM RAS# Precharge=3

Now the next question. Is there any other way to increase the FBS without raising the CPU clock? I can set CPU clock higher but it starts to get unstable around 3400 MHz. I'm trying to get system to do appoximately:
Internal Clock : 3300.78 MHz
System Bus : 1000 MHz QDR
If it can be done.
Thanks again for all your help.

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:05:54 -0500, "TomG"
wrote:

first, you need to lock the PCI/AGP busses at 33/66. That way, you won't loose the PCI based devices when you start to overclock.

I can't imagine why you can't switch the ram *down* in speed by going to the 80% ratio of 5:4 with the NB set to 800. be sure that you do not have the PAT/GAT setting at anything other than Auto for this testing. Ram timings may have to be relaxed during your testing as well and can then be tightened back up (possibly) after you get the max cpu FSB speed determined.

TomG · Oct 26, 2003

the FSB is what drives everything. All of the busses are linked to that unless you lock them as in the PCI/AGP busses. The multiplier for the CPU (which is locked by Intel and even if you could move it in the bios, it would not really be moving in the CPU...) times the FSB is what gives you the speed of the system (combined with any internal QDR stuff...).

your ram clocks are derived from the ratio times the fsb and all that. your post says that your ram ratio is 1.1? can you explain? did you mean 1:1 (or 1 to 1)? if so, then one thing you need to be aware of is that instability could be caused by *either* the CPU reaching its ceiling (max overclock) or by the ram running out of overhead and reaching its ceiling.

the best way to find out which is causing the problem is to *slow* the ram down by using a ratio that is a fractional ratio times the FSB speed such as the 5:4 ratio. the 5:4 ratio is the same as saying FSB speed times 80% which will result in a slower ram speed than 1:1. when you run the ram slower like that, you usually don't come close to running out of overhead with the ram and as a result, when your machine starts getting unstable, it is the CPU running out of room. you can then take a look at where the FSB is and if the FSB is high enough that a 1:1 ram ratio would take your DDR speed beyond the rating of the DDR, then you are usually better off leaving the 5:4 ratio in place. Sometimes, if you have good enough ram, you can implement a 1:1 ratio and then benefit from overclocking the CPU *and* having a screaming fast memory bus as well.

Looney · Oct 26, 2003

Very well explained Tom. Even I can understand that. I'll copy/paste this to notepad somewhere to keep it handy. You've been a great help and teacher. Thank you for you patiance. Signcerly Rodney C.

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:02:04 -0500, "TomG"
wrote:

the FSB is what drives everything. All of the busses are linked to that unless you lock them as in the PCI/AGP busses. The multiplier for the CPU (which is locked by Intel and even if you could move it in the bios, it would not really be moving in the CPU...) times the FSB is what gives you the speed of the system (combined with any internal QDR stuff...).

your ram clocks are derived from the ratio times the fsb and all that. your post says that your ram ratio is 1.1? can you explain? did you mean 1:1 (or 1 to 1)? if so, then one thing you need to be aware of is that instability could be caused by *either* the CPU reaching its ceiling (max overclock) or by the ram running out of overhead and reaching its ceiling.

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Looney · Oct 26, 2003

By the way, Yes, I did meen the 1:1....lol thank you for correcting me.

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:02:04 -0500, "TomG"
wrote:

the FSB is what drives everything. All of the busses are linked to that unless you lock them as in the PCI/AGP busses. The multiplier for the CPU (which is locked by Intel and even if you could move it in the bios, it would not really be moving in the CPU...) times the FSB is what gives you the speed of the system (combined with any internal QDR stuff...).

your ram clocks are derived from the ratio times the fsb and all that. your post says that your ram ratio is 1.1? can you explain? did you mean 1:1 (or 1 to 1)? if so, then one thing you need to be aware of is that instability could be caused by *either* the CPU reaching its ceiling (max overclock) or by the ram running out of overhead and reaching its ceiling.

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TomG · Oct 26, 2003

any time... test your luck and then come back with any questions...

TomG · Oct 26, 2003

no problem.

Skid · Oct 27, 2003

"Looney" <looney2looney.net@> wrote:

And right you are again. Thanks Tom.
So far I have the Internal Clock : 3347.78 MHz, with
System Bus : 892.74 MHz QDR
System Clock : 223.19 MHz
Multiplier : 15.0
DRAM Ratio @ 1.1
Cas Latency Time=3
Act To PreCharge Delay=5
DRAM RAS# To CAS# Delay=3
DRAM RAS# Precharge=3

Now the next question. Is there any other way to increase the FBS ...

Forgive me for butting in, but those are some wacky memory timings. For testing purposes you might try 3,4,4,8 to find the highest fsb the memory will run. After that you want to tighten them up for better performance.

I'd suggest lowering the CAS first, running MemTest86 in between as a stability check.

2.5,4,4,8, then 2,4,4,8. If it passes a couple of loops there, try lowering the last three numbers to 3,3,7, then 3,2,7, then 3,2,6, then 2,2,6, then 2,2,5. If MemTest gives errors at any point, back off because you've found the fastest stable setting.

Note that the last number is the sum of the first two, plus a little wiggle room. If it's less, like in your 3,3,3,5, the bank doesn't have a chance to flush before the next set of commands and it has to start over -- which hurts memory performance rather than helps it.

The best I could do on my PC3700 at 220 mhz was 2,3,2,6. YMMV, but the only way to find the sweet spot for your system is to experiment.