OT: Any thoughts on Norton 12 vs. Acronis True Image

Discussion in 'Dell' started by RnR, Sep 17, 2007.

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    Brian K Guest

    Yes, Ghost 12 can make partition clones but not whole HD clones and TI can
    make whole HD clones but not partition clones. No matter, I prefer using
    images and not clones. I've restored hundreds of images using various
    software. Not one failure. It's a great way to recover from a software
    problem. Most restores are done for software problems rather than for HD
    failure.
     
    Brian K, Sep 19, 2007
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  2. Checking the free downloadable User's Guide for v.12 of Ghost,
    Ghost must be run once for each partition that is to be cloned. So
    yes, Ghost cannot clone an entire hard drive IN ONE RUN, but it
    can do so in multiple runs.

    *Tim Daniels*
     
    Timothy Daniels, Sep 19, 2007
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  3. Note that to get $20 of the rebate, you have to show proof
    of purchase of another security product. And this gets you
    Norton Internet Security 2007, while the 2008 version has
    been out for a month or so. Still a good deal, but not as good
    as it looks.

    *TimDaniels*
     
    Timothy Daniels, Sep 19, 2007
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    Brian K Guest

    Yes. That's correct.
     
    Brian K, Sep 19, 2007
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  5. Vista

    --

    Regards,
    Hank Arnold
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Server - Directory Services
     
    Hank Arnold (MVP), Sep 19, 2007
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    RnR Guest

    Sorry Hank but perhaps I didn't word my question well but I gather
    from other posts and yours, I may now know the answer but my question
    "should" have read.... Did you mean that Acronis or Norton works with
    Vista? However I think you are telling me Acronis works with Vista
    and others agree.

    Does anyone know if Ghost 12 works with Vista from experience?
     
    RnR, Sep 19, 2007
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    Brian K Guest


    I don't have Vista but I've seen several posts that say Ghost 12 and Vista
    are OK. See here....
    http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=173214&page=5#111

    Mustang is referring to Ghost 12.

    Ghost 12 doesn't need a BCD repair after restoring the image and the 2048
    sector offset is preserved.
     
    Brian K, Sep 19, 2007
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    RnR Guest

    Thanks Brian.
     
    RnR, Sep 19, 2007
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    Dean-MN Guest

    Hi,
    Just to add to the confusion, using Acronis® True Image Home® version 10.0,
    I routinely image the C: drive *only* on two Vista HP and one Win XP Pro
    computers. Each of the computers has a second logical partition on the
    first hard drive that is excluded from the routine image. The option to
    image an entire hard drive or selected partitions is available by checking a
    box.

    To the question of bad images, I had that problem with both PowerQuest Drive
    Image 7 and Acronis® True Image Home® version 10.0. The cause of the
    corruption in my case was traced to a cheap USB HD enclosure that spoiled
    the images of both programs. I have not had a problem with Acronis® True
    Image Home® version 10.0 to date.
    Dean
     
    Dean-MN, Sep 19, 2007
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  10. To clear, you are talking about "imaging", not "cloning".
    Although various backup utilities may use the words
    differently, "imaging" involves making a file (usually a
    compressed file) which contains the data within a
    partition (or partitions), which may be stored like any
    other file on various media, including CDs and DVDs
    and USB drives. Before such a partition can be used
    it must undergo a "restore" step which expands the file
    (if it is compressed), and transfers it to a hard drive.
    If the partition is to be booted, it must be on a hard
    drive having a PATA or SATA controller.

    "Cloning" involves making a byte-for-byte copy of a
    partition onto another partition, usually on another
    hard drive. Such a copy can be immediately bootable
    without having to undergo a "restore" step if it is kept
    on a hard drive having a PATA or SATA controller.

    Some peopel keep their clones on a large capacity
    hard drive that is mounted in a removable try that
    can be slid into a rack that occupies a 5 1/2" expansion
    bay. I have such an arrangement, and I keep several
    clones on it, each dating from some time in the past.
    Any one of them can be selected for booting from the
    boot loader's boot menu.

    *TimDaniels*
     
    Timothy Daniels, Sep 19, 2007
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    P.Schuman Guest

    just curious - to jump in the middle here -
    how much do you backup ?
    and what kind of device do you backup onto ?

    We have several laptops around the house,
    and getting a little worried.
    I have Acronis 9.x that I used to copy a laptop disk to a new larger disk,
    but have not really instituted a concise backup strategy.
    Smallest disk is 20GB and the rest are in the 60GB range..
     
    P.Schuman, Sep 20, 2007
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    Nemesis Guest


    Hi.
    My drive is partitioned into two, C and E (emergency).

    On the E drive I have all my personal data and files with just the OS
    and programs on C.

    I imaged a good, clean (and defragged) version of the C drive onto
    the E drive and then copied this to an external USB hard disk.
    Every time the disk changes ie. a Windows security update, if I get a
    disk problem or after trying out various trial programs etc., I simply
    copy my Firefox and Thunderbird profiles onto the E drive, do a restore
    from the Acronis Secure Zone at boot, then copy back the Firefox and
    Thunderbird profiles back. Then I add the Windows updates or new
    software. Then I make a new image, and this becomes my new (or newest)
    "safe" back-up.

    My E files are all backed up and copied onto an external USB hard disk.
    Every time I add or do important work on them, I either back-up or
    image the disk (Acronis does both) - first to the C drive and then copy
    to the external drive.

    HTH,
    Nem
     
    Nemesis, Sep 20, 2007
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    Brian K Guest

    .., I simply copy my Firefox and Thunderbird profiles onto the E drive, do a
    restore


    Nemesis,

    I have edited my Firefox preferences to store my bookmarks.html in the Data
    partition. This saves me losing bookmarks if I forget to copy the profiles
    before restoring an image.
     
    Brian K, Sep 21, 2007
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    Nemesis Guest




    Probably a good idea. I must do the same...but so far never screwed
    myself yet :)

    Nem
     
    Nemesis, Sep 21, 2007
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    Brian K Guest

    I found these instructions somewhere. I'll copy and paste.




    user.js

    This is the main preferences file for Firefox and is located in you profile
    folder. The file does not exist by default, so you need to create it before
    you can start adding your preferences.

    Windows users: If you know how to create a file, just skip this section.
    Before you can create the file, you must make sure that you can see the file
    type extensions in Windows. Start Explorer (just click on the My Computer
    icon on your desktop) and select Tools > Folder Options.... Click the View
    tab and uncheck the Hide extensions for known file types option. Now, go to
    your profile folder and select File > New > Text Document. The default name
    New Text Document.txt should be displayed. Change the name to user.js (click
    Yes on the file type warning that appears).

    Linux users: I assume that you know how to create a file if you're running
    Linux. Just create user.js in your profile folder.

    It's also possible to edit the preferences normally stored in user.js by
    entering about:config in the address bar and press Enter. You will see a
    list of all available preferences in Firefox (many of them are derived from
    Mozilla and are not used but not yet removed). Double-click on a preference
    to change its value. The changes you make here will be immediately stored in
    prefs.js, which is a file automatically generated by Firefox.



    SUMMARY: In C:\Documents and Settings\"User"\Application
    Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\bbuzr19h.default (folder)

    create USER.JS file

    paste the two lines below into user.js (change
    E:\\Identities\\Firefox_bookmarks\\bookmarks.html to your path)




    // Specify which bookmarks file to use:
    user_pref("browser.bookmarks.file",
    "E:\\Identities\\Firefox_bookmarks\\bookmarks.html");
     
    Brian K, Sep 21, 2007
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    Brian K Guest

    Formatting problem in previous post. The two lines are


    // Specify which bookmarks file to use:
    user_pref("browser.bookmarks.file", "E:\\Identities\\Firefox_bookmarks\\bookmarks.html");
     
    Brian K, Sep 21, 2007
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    Tony Harding Guest

    I routinely backup up my C:\ (XP)P & D:\ (user data). Hard to say
    exactly how much is backed up because Acronis compresses it and I do
    incremental backups. I have a backup script which runs twice a day to
    copy the D:\ stuff to another HDD on my computer. Acronis backs up to an
    external HDD pretty much weekly (or if I'm making a big change, etc.). I
    use 2 HDD's for this and monthly I put one in offsite storage and bring
    last month's home to do current backups. This gives me something if my
    house burns down or something.

    You need to decide how valuable your data is to you and backup
    accordingly. I'd be royally screwed if I lost my spreadsheets, taxes,
    Quicken files, etc., so I have multilevel backup strategy so I should
    never lose everything and best case is I just go back a couple of hours
    to the last online file copy.

    Hard drives fail and it's not a question of if but when. People who are
    serious about computing need to plan accordingly.

    Just my $.02, of course, YMMV.
     
    Tony Harding, Sep 22, 2007
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    RnR Guest


    You mention on line backup which has caught my attention in the past.
    I wouldn't mind doing that but the cost kept me from doing it in the
    past. I haven't kept up with the latest costs but aside from the
    cost, I like the idea.
     
    RnR, Sep 22, 2007
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    Tony Harding Guest

    My "online backup" is from one HDD to another HDD in my computer. I'm
    not using any 'Net based service.
     
    Tony Harding, Sep 25, 2007
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    Orks NG Guest

    Orks NG, Sep 26, 2007
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