P4C800-E Deluxe arbitrarily changes boot order

Discussion in 'Asus' started by Bob Davis, Dec 6, 2003.

  1. Bob Davis

    Bob Davis Guest

    I just installed a P4C800-E Deluxe in a new build for a friend, my first
    experience with Asus boards, and have incurred an odd problem. The drives
    are attached like this:

    Boot: WD Raptor SATA (C:)

    IDE1: CD burner (master), 40gb HD (slave) in mobil racks for cloning in
    Norton Ghost (never in machine except during cloning outside Windows XP).

    IDE2: 250gb WD2500JB (D:)


    The problem is that after using the 40gb drive in the mobil rack for cloning
    once per week, the bios decides to swap the boot order on the SATA and IDE2.
    IDE2 has no OS, but every time the Ghost drive is inserted and seen by the
    bios the boot order changes. This computer is in the hands of a novice, and
    I'd prefer if she didn't need to go into the bios every time she does a
    cloning operation to change the boot order back to its proper place.

    I haven't been able to determine what bios version she has, but I'll work on
    it. In the meantime, if anyone has a tip on how to get around this obvious
    bug, please let me know! TIA.
     
    Bob Davis, Dec 6, 2003
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  2. Bob Davis

    JBM Guest

    That's the same problem I've been having with
    my P4C800-Deluxe. It's been occurring with
    every BIOS version I've tried. I was wondering
    if it was fixed on the E version, guess not.
     
    JBM, Dec 6, 2003
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  3. Bob Davis

    Bob Davis Guest

    It's ridiculous for them to let something slide by this long. I'm sorry I
    selected this board for this person, as she clearly doesn't need to be
    snooping around in the bios unnecessarily. I'll keep an eye here in case
    someone comes up with a fix.
     
    Bob Davis, Dec 7, 2003
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  4. Bob Davis

    Mark Guest

    My previous pc did this. You have a much more complicated setup than
    what I had so my problem might not be yours... Mine seemed to be due
    to adding too much stuff to the pc over the years without upgrading
    the power supply. How many watts ya got?
     
    Mark, Dec 7, 2003
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  5. Bob Davis

    John Guest

    I don't have a solution, but wondered what would happen if you tried
    swapping
    the 40GB drive to IDE2. My idea being to find a setup where the bios's
    default
    order is the same order you want.

    Or add an IDE controller card and see if that helps
     
    John, Dec 7, 2003
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  6. Bob Davis

    ht Guest

    I've noticed that when I have my USB pen connected to a USB port
    during boot, the BIOS automatically selects it as the boot drive, and
    I have to go into the BIOS and change it back for the boot to work the
    way I set it up. Seems that the BIOS somehow looks for external boot
    devices and gives them a higher priority during the boot.

    Why this should affect the relationship between IDE and SATA drives
    beats me, though.


    Regards,

    Hans-Henrik
     
    ht, Dec 7, 2003
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  7. Bob Davis

    Bob Davis Guest

    480w Antec Truepower.

     
    Bob Davis, Dec 8, 2003
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  8. Bob Davis

    Bob Davis Guest

    I think changing to IDE2 will change nothing since it'll still see the same
    drives in the boot sequence. The problem seems to be that when something
    changes, i.e. the Ghost drive being pulled from the group, it automatically
    puts the only remaining IDE drive as the first boot device, regardless of
    the fact that the SATA drive is selected as such and the Ghost drive isn't
    even in the boot sequence.
    This might work, but would add time to the boot sequence for the external
    IDE controller bios to initialize. But I wonder if it would do so if no
    drives were attached?

    I have an idea that just bloomed: Take the 250gb drive on IDE2 out of the
    boot order altogether. Perhaps that will not force the change if there are
    no other HD's in the boot order.
     
    Bob Davis, Dec 8, 2003
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  9. Bob Davis

    JBM Guest

    When I removed all the hard drives but one from
    the boot order they were all added back on the
    next reboot.
    Did it work for you?
     
    JBM, Dec 8, 2003
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  10. Bob Davis

    Bob Davis Guest


    The machine is at another location and I won't be able to try it 'til
    tomorrow (Monday) AM. Will report back later.

    What if you set the CD-ROM as the third device? IOW, in my case: First =
    Floppy, second = SATA, third = CD-ROM. At this point the 250gb HD is #3,
    and it wants to arbitrarily swap #2 and #3 whenever there is a HD change, as
    when the Ghost HD is removed from the mobil rack.
     
    Bob Davis, Dec 8, 2003
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  11. Bob Davis

    JBM Guest

    The boot order never changes on my system
    I have it set to 1:Floppy 2:CDrom 3:HD
    My problem is that if I add a HD that's bootable
    it puts that drive as the first bootable HD under the
    Boot / Hard drives menu. Which puts it as the
    HD to be booted in the Boot order devices menu.
    Same thing to the CDrom menu if I add or remove
    a cdrom. The only external HD I've been able to
    add and remove without it effecting the boot is
    a firewire drive, which can't be booted from. But that had it's own set of
    problems.
     
    JBM, Dec 8, 2003
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  12. Bob Davis

    John Guest

    Some of those controller cards take longer to boot with no drives attached
    (longer than if one drive is attached).
    I think it's because the controller is determined to "find a drive".
     
    John, Dec 8, 2003
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  13. P4P800 Deluxe - my main drive is a SATA unit, but I also have an IDE
    drive and 2 CD-Roms. No floppy.

    Like others, the boot order randomly changes- sometimes not for a few
    days, sometimes every other boot.

    I've tried BIOS revisions 1008 - 1010 and all do it. I don't even need
    to plug anything in or out to trigger it.

    Incidentally - someone mentioned 'Truepower 480W'. That's what I have!
    (Antec TrueBlue specifically). Has it been shown to cause the problem?
    They didn't say anything else!
     
    Nick (no dashes), Dec 9, 2003
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  14. Ah!!! That's what I have! (Antec TrueBlue 480 specifically). But I got
    that on the understanding it would cause me LESS problems - what
    specifically is wrong with it? Just the 480 or all of them on this MB?

    Details: P4P800 Deluxe - my main drive is a SATA unit, but I also have
    an IDE drive and 2 CD-Roms. No floppy.
    Like others, the boot order randomly changes- sometimes not for a few
    days, sometimes every other boot.
    I've tried BIOS revisions 1008 - 1010 and all do it. I don't even need
    to plug anything in or out to trigger it.

    It's very annoying.
     
    Nick (no dashes), Dec 9, 2003
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  15. Sorry for now tripple posting, but ignore one, both or all of my posting
    in this thread - I thought newsreader wasn't working and managed to go
    twice!

    ;)
     
    Nick (no dashes), Dec 9, 2003
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  16. Bob Davis

    Bob Davis Guest

    This is one of the best PSU's available, so I doubt if it'd be causing your
    problem unless defective. I am sure it isn't the cause of mine.
     
    Bob Davis, Dec 9, 2003
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  17. Bob Davis

    Bob Davis Guest

    Ended up popping in a UDMA 6 card and thus pulling the drive out of the
    system bios--and all is well for now.

    Thanks for the replies.
     
    Bob Davis, Dec 10, 2003
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