Random Lock Up

Willie · Jul 4, 2003

First I want to apologize for cross posting this problem. I first posted to Microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support. but I have had no responce and I have realized this may be a more appropriate place to post.
And now the problem:
I'm having a problem that is driving me absolutely crazy! My computer has been having random lock-ups for months now and no matter what, I cannot get this thing to run without having these random lockups. There is no pattern - it can lock up 3-4 times a day and sometimes only 1 time a day. It can go for a few days and not lockup, That's why I'm frustrated... no pattern AT ALL!

My System is: Windows XP Home (SP1), Athlon 1800+ Processor, ABIT KG7-RAID Mobo, 2-512 MB PC2100 DDR Memory Sticks, all the latest updates, etc., etc.

This is what I've done to try and solve the problem so far...

1. I have replaced my power supply with a known good one, so that "should" rule that out for the moment,
2. I have moved, replaced my mem sticks till I'm blue in the face. Sometimes, the system won't boot after I've moved the mem around, and after I put the sticks in/out a few times it WILL boot. I am putting the mem sticks in the correct slots (there are 4 on this board) according to the Mobo manual,
3. I have checked/re-checked ALL the cables (IDE, Floppy, Power) and they all appear OK,
4. I have seated/re-seated my PCI Cards (Graphics, Modem, Sound, USB). These are all seated correctly,
5. My CPU/Box temps are all good as in not overheated.

I'm running out of options. Is it the Mobo, mem, software, etc., etc., etc.? I simply don't know. I have Dr. Watson running, but it shows no software problems when the lockups occur. I'm therefore assuming that it's a hardware issue. With that thought in mind, I went to event viewer (under System) and the following entries were shown when the last lockup occurred and these entries were shown as errors. Here are the 2 entries and maybe this offers some clues...

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Event Type: Error
Event Source: Service Control Manager
Event Category: None
Event ID: 7023
Date: 7/3/2003
Time: 12:43:37 PM
User: N/A
Computer: WC1
Description:
The IPSEC Services service terminated with the following error:
The attempted operation is not supported for the type of object referenced. For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.

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Event Type: Error
Event Source: Service Control Manager
Event Category: None
Event ID: 7023
Date: 7/3/2003
Time: 12:43:37 PM
User: N/A
Computer: WC1
Description:
The Uninterruptible Power Supply service terminated with the following error:
The UPS service could not access the specified Comm Port. For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.

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Can anyone please help?

Job60 · Jul 4, 2003

Get a copy of memtest86. If you encounter errors you may have to ajust the cpu slew rate and p/n value's in the BIOS . I am having good luck with 6 05 06 other settings have been reported to work also NoJOB@aol.

Bob Troll · Jul 4, 2003

You didn't mention which bios version you are using with the board but try the 9M bios with the 4, 04, 0D settings as Tom G suggested and see what happens then.

My KG7 as well as many others have had issues with the newer bioses.

Bob 'machine warrior" Troll

Willie wrote:

First I want to apologize for cross posting this problem. I first posted to Microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support. but I have had no responce and I have realized this may be a more appropriate place to post.
And now the problem:
I'm having a problem that is driving me absolutely crazy! My computer has been having random lock-ups for months now and no matter what, I cannot get this thing to run without having these random lockups. There is no pattern - it can lock up 3-4 times a day and sometimes only 1 time a day. It can go for a few days and not lockup, That's why I'm frustrated... no pattern AT ALL! ...

****************************************************************************

****

Event Type: Error
Event Source: Service Control Manager
Event Category: None
Event ID: 7023
Date: 7/3/2003
Time: 12:43:37 PM
User: N/A
Computer: WC1
Description:
The IPSEC Services service terminated with the following error:
...

****************************************************************************

****

Event Type: Error
Event Source: Service Control Manager
Event Category: None
Event ID: 7023
Date: 7/3/2003
Time: 12:43:37 PM
User: N/A
Computer: WC1
Description:
The Uninterruptible Power Supply service terminated with the following ...

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****

Can anyone please help?

Willie · Jul 5, 2003

Many thanks for your suggestions, you can bet I will try them and report back what is happening. Please be aware it may take days!

"TomG" wrote:

--
To gain stability on the KG7 running 5W or 68 or 8S (and most likely 9M) bios with an XP CPU, try the following:

One suggestion for bios settings is to set the CPU Slew rate to 6 or 7

under

Advanced Chipset Features, Chipset Driving Control, Control CPU P/N.

Another bios setting suggestion from Abit is to change the Control CPU P/N Value (there are three settings in this area of the bios) to "4" "04" "0D" in the same area of the bios. You may want to run Memtest again after all of the above and see if you can set the DDR voltage back to default, assuming you had to raise it to begin with.

Get a copy of Memtest (available on my server at the address below under /Utilities) and test your memory. If you get memory errors, you may need to raise the DDR voltage to 2.70 or 2.75 volts.

Finally, if all else fails, try running 5E bios. Even if you have an XP 2000+ your cpu will still run at rated speed because the multiplier is locked in the cpu so as long as the FSB is at the correct speed for your cpu, the system will run at rated speed.

--

Thomas Geery
Network+ certified
... has been having random lock-ups for months now and no matter what, I cannot get
this thing to run without having these random lockups. There is no
pattern - it can lock up 3-4 times a day and sometimes only 1 time a

day.

It can go for a few days and not lockup, That's why I'm frustrated...

no

pattern AT ALL!

My System is: Windows XP Home (SP1), Athlon 1800+ Processor, ABIT KG7-RAID
Mobo, 2-512 MB PC2100 DDR Memory Sticks, all the latest updates, etc., etc.

This is what I've done to try and solve the problem so far...

1. I have replaced my power supply with a known good one, so that "should"
rule that out for the moment,
... they all appear OK,
4. I have seated/re-seated my PCI Cards (Graphics, Modem, Sound, USB).
These are all seated correctly,
5. My CPU/Box temps are all good as in not overheated.

I'm running out of options. Is it the Mobo, mem, software, etc., etc.,
etc.? I simply don't know. I have Dr. Watson running, but it shows no
software problems when the lockups occur. I'm therefore assuming that it's
a hardware issue. With that thought in mind, I went to event viewer (under
System) and the following entries were shown when the last lockup occurred and these entries were shown as errors. Here are the 2 entries and maybe
this offers some clues...

****************************************************************************

****

Event Type: Error
Event Source: Service Control Manager
Event Category: None
Event ID: 7023
Date: 7/3/2003
Time: 12:43:37 PM
User: N/A
Computer: WC1
Description:
The IPSEC Services service terminated with the following error:
...

****************************************************************************

****

Event Type: Error
Event Source: Service Control Manager
Event Category: None
Event ID: 7023
Date: 7/3/2003
Time: 12:43:37 PM
User: N/A
Computer: WC1
Description:
The Uninterruptible Power Supply service terminated with the following ...

****************************************************************************

****

Can anyone please help?

--
Best Regards....... Willie

Willie · Jul 5, 2003

Thanks for the suggestion job60, I will try it and get back to you, it may take a while before I know if I am successful or not.

"Job60" wrote:

Get a copy of memtest86. If you encounter errors you may have to ajust the cpu slew rate and p/n value's in the BIOS . I am having good luck with 6 05 06 other settings have been reported to work also
NoJOB@aol.

Gunner · Jul 5, 2003

Tom - I have a few questions/comments about this whole thing. Let me say this is no way an argument or an attempt to say your advice isn't good - in fact, it appears you are a very knowledgeable person and that is all the more reason I want to say a few things. Maybe, you can get to the bottom of something that has been driving Willie and me nuts.

First, Willie is my best friend and we had our systems built at the same time, from the same shop. Mine has been running great since it was built in Dec 2001. The systems were for all intents and purposes, 99% identical at the time they were built in Dec 2001(except Willie's mem is Infineon Brand and mine is VT, different power supply). For whatever reason, my system ran great from the start and continues to do so to this day. Willie's is a whole different story.

The "original" system he had started to get flaky almost immediately after he took the system home the first time. So, it was back to the shop and the guy who built these systems put it through the paces and swapped out components (piece by piece), swapped hard drives, swapped Video Card, etc., etc. He ended up replacing the original KG7-Raid Mobo with another KG7-Raid and after that he ran and ran the system before he returned it to Willie in June 2002. Now, it seemed to run Ok for a little while and then it started the random locks. Neither Willie nor I can remember exactly when that all started, but I know his system locks up and does so almost daily. Many people say - take it back to the shop where it was built. Well, that would be fine except the shop went out of business November of last year! He simply could not compete with the Circuit City's, Buy.Com's, etc., etc.

This has been a nightmare for Willie, and I can't help but wonder why mine system runs so well without a bunch of "tweaks" and his runs so shitty? I know Willie hasn't done any physical damage to the system, but this sure has been a very annoying problem. We try to keep the set-ups on the systems as close as possible to being the same and that includes software, updates, etc. Again, there are some minor differences, but for all intents and purposes the systems are identical. I changed cases and power supplies last Feb (2003) to an Antec PlusView 1000 AMG Case and an Antec True Blue 480 watt Power Supply. I wasn't having any problems with my system, but I wanted to change the case to allow for better cooling and also to get a bigger power supply to allow for any future upgrades to hardware. Again, my system is rock stable, and I can count the lock-ups I've had with this thing in 1 1/2 years on one hand - yep, it's been that good! Also, Willie recently changed his box out (like in the past few days) to exactly what I did in Feb. In doing so, this should at least eliminated the Power Supply as a possible problem for the lock-ups. So again, we are running pretty much the same systems again.

With ALL that said, I haven't changed any voltages, CPU Settings, etc. in my BIOS and my system is running A-OK - ROCK SOLID! Color me lucky I guess.

Finally, a few questions... Could you shed any light on why mine runs great without changing settings/voltages and Willie's is so crappy? Are any of the errors Wille included from Event Viewer in this mix in any way, shape or form? I know this has really become a real pain in the butt for my friend and one that has us both stumped.

Anyway, Willie has begun to make the changes you suggest, but he wants to let the system run to see if the lockups are still present. He has started by changing the DDR Voltage and so far, so good. But the system has only been running for a few hours. If that change works, he may not need to go further. Time will tell. Thanks for your help... Best regards... Gunner ____________________________________________________

"TomG" wrote:

--
To gain stability on the KG7 running 5W or 68 or 8S (and most likely 9M) bios with an XP CPU, try the following:

One suggestion for bios settings is to set the CPU Slew rate to 6 or 7

under

Advanced Chipset Features, Chipset Driving Control, Control CPU P/N.

Another bios setting suggestion from Abit is to change the Control CPU P/N Value (there are three settings in this area of the bios) to "4" "04" "0D" in the same area of the bios. You may want to run Memtest again after all of the above and see if you can set the DDR voltage back to default, assuming you had to raise it to begin with.

Get a copy of Memtest (available on my server at the address below under /Utilities) and test your memory. If you get memory errors, you may need

to

raise the DDR voltage to 2.70 or 2.75 volts.

Finally, if all else fails, try running 5E bios. Even if you have an XP 2000+ your cpu will still run at rated speed because the multiplier is locked in the cpu so as long as the FSB is at the correct speed for your cpu, the system will run at rated speed.

--

Thomas Geery
Network+ certified

TomG · Jul 5, 2003

well the one thing that *is* different in your systems that stands out is ram. while I am not trying to state that it is the ram for sure, I am just pointing out that there is a difference there.

The KG7 with the Athlon XP processors and most likely, some others as well, is on the edge of the envelope of stability, personal opinion. The default bios settings will not result in a stable system in many (but not *all*) systems. The vast majority of the KG7's that I worked with either in person or here in this group, all were unstable until the settings with the slew rates and such were modified. What worked with one board would bring improvements but not total stability to another. You saw a post from Job60 in this thread where he told you what settings he employed to gain stability.

it would have been an interesting test to swap memory between your two systems and see if the issues swapped with the ram. an even easier test is to run Memtest and see if you get errors (I bet you don't...) and do the same on his (I bet he does...). Memtest is available out on the net or on my server (address below) under /utilities.

I had a KG7-R with the XP 1800+ processor and was very frustrated in the beginning. I was able to get the system running well after researching the board and finding tips out there about adjusting the slew rates and such. In hindsight, I won't buy another mixed chipset board like that again, with an AMD SB and a VIA NB. I think it was one of the more challenging boards I ever played with to get stable and happy. Don't get me wrong... I sold that board and cpu/ram to a friend and helped him get it all set up and it is still running strong today. He is happy with it and does not feel I gave him a lemon and that is because we took the time to learn how to get it stable. Out of the box, that doesn't happen with the XP CPU's personal opinion.

Gunner · Jul 5, 2003

Thanks for the comeback Tom. I agree that it would be nice to try and swap the mem chips, but Willie and I live in different States - me in Pennsylvania and him in Delaware - I guess that kind of rules that out. We've been friends ever since our military days 25 years ago, and even though we live in separate states, we do get together and do some fishing as we are only about 4 hours apart. Maybe the next time one of us heads to the others place we can try the mem swap thing. I told him the same thing (swapping mem) as we talk everyday on the internet (NetMeeting). I wish they were closer, but that's not the way it is.

We will try and work through it. As far as bumping up the voltages, what adverse effects can happen? Fry the mem? - fry the CPU? - I guess all that IS possible if one is too aggressive. One of the things that bothers me is why wouldn't it act goofy when the machine was originally returned to him? If the timing/voltages need to be tweaked, shouldn't they have needed tweaked then too? Can this whole thing be a software issue as well - I guess that too is possible.

Anyway, ALL you points are good ones and I certainly agree that it's anybody's guess at this point. The questions/possibilities are endless and I'm trying to use a bit of common sense here - hell, that might be part of the problem too! Hahahahaha I'm sure Willie will get back to you and I will be talking with him (providing his system starts up with the changes as he makes them) and I'll also be following this thread. FYI, I did run MemTest 86 v3.0 and I got errors. I then run another program called DocMem v2.0 and it said everything was fine. However, I'm not experiencing lockups. Go figure that one! I really don't understand MemTest and the way it reports things back. Just thought I'd mention it. Also, since you still haven't commented on the Event System errors, I'm assuming you don't think they are in the mix????? Thanks again for your response... Best regards... Gunner _________________________________________________________

"TomG" wrote:

well the one thing that *is* different in your systems that stands out is ram. while I am not trying to state that it is the ram for sure, I am just pointing out that there is a difference there.

The KG7 with the Athlon XP processors and most likely, some others as well, is on the edge of the envelope of stability, personal opinion. The default bios settings will not result in a stable system in many (but not *all*) systems. The vast majority of the KG7's that I worked with either in person or here in this group, all were unstable until the settings with the slew rates and such were modified. What worked with one board would bring improvements but not total stability to another. You saw a post from Job60 in this thread where he told you what settings he employed to gain stability.

it would have been an interesting test to swap memory between your two systems and see if the issues swapped with the ram. an even easier test is to run Memtest and see if you get errors (I bet you don't...) and do the same on his (I bet he does...). Memtest is available out on the net or on my server (address below) under /utilities.

I had a KG7-R with the XP 1800+ processor and was very frustrated in the beginning. I was able to get the system running well after researching the board and finding tips out there about adjusting the slew rates and such. In hindsight, I won't buy another mixed chipset board like that again, with an AMD SB and a VIA NB. I think it was one of the more challenging boards I ever played with to get stable and happy. Don't get me wrong... I sold that board and cpu/ram to a friend and helped him get it all set up and it is still running strong today. He is happy with it and does not feel I gave him a lemon and that is because we took the time to learn how to get it stable. Out of the box, that doesn't happen with the XP CPU's personal opinion.

--

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Network+ certified

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...

TomG · Jul 5, 2003

the Event Viewer errors just tell me that random events are causing a problem and various services are crashing and terminating. Interesting that memtest indicated errors on your stable system. usually, bumping the voltage up just a little is not an issue and can help provide stability. now, several tenths of a volt and you start generating extra heat and can fry things. if the ram runs at 2.6 and you bump to 2.7 or so, then that is no biggie.

folks have been bumping voltages on CPU cores for a long time and it can shorten the life if you get carried away or even fry the damn thing. on the other hand, it could be the difference between being unstable and stability!

I don't believe in fixing something that isn't broken so I don't advise that you start messing around with yours but just the same, Memtest errors usually indicate that there is something not quite right. Memtest is not intended to run and indicate errors on a system that is running "right" even though you don't seem to have any issues...

if you have access to other computers or friends with other computers that might be based on other hardware, get them to run Memtest as well and try to get a survey of the results...

Gunner · Jul 5, 2003

Tom, again you are right (if it ain't broke... don't fix it). Another way of putting it is... "better is the WORST ENEMY of good enough!" I certainly don't intend to mess with my system in any way, shape or form at the moment. I too found it interesting that Memtest86 found errors and the other program (DocMem) didn't on MY system. Just another reason the mystery remains I reckon. Thanks again for your response and hopefully "we" will get to the bottom of this mess soon. If not, I think my partner (Willie) will take a sledge hammer to the box and then we will know exactly what the problem is... hahahaha

Take care and have a good one... Gunner
___________________________________________

"TomG" wrote:

the Event Viewer errors just tell me that random events are causing a problem and various services are crashing and terminating. Interesting that memtest indicated errors on your stable system. usually, bumping the voltage up just a little is not an issue and can help provide stability. now, several tenths of a volt and you start generating extra heat and can fry things. if the ram runs at 2.6 and you bump to 2.7 or so, then that is no biggie.

folks have been bumping voltages on CPU cores for a long time and it can shorten the life if you get carried away or even fry the damn thing. on the other hand, it could be the difference between being unstable and

stability!

I don't believe in fixing something that isn't broken so I don't advise that you start messing around with yours but just the same, Memtest errors usually indicate that there is something not quite right. Memtest is not intended to run and indicate errors on a system that is running "right" even though you don't seem to have any issues...

if you have access to other computers or friends with other computers that might be based on other hardware, get them to run Memtest as well and try to get a survey of the results...

--

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Network+ certified

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TomG · Jul 5, 2003

good luck with it and I think the slew rate adjustments in my first post may be helpful...

Job60 · Jul 5, 2003

I Don't know how it works . Just that it does . Since making these ajustments my KG&_R has returned 30 Seti units for a total of 1351hours with out so mutch as a hickup . But IM just one of those guys that just cant stop TWEAKING next IM gonna rip out that xp2000 pal and shove in a B core 2200 NoJOB@aol.

Job60 · Jul 5, 2003

O almost forgot if I cant get somthing to work after a year I will RMA it from my second floor window . Like those flickering monitors .LOL NoJOB@aol.

Gunner · Jul 6, 2003

Thanks Tom... your help and comments are much appreciated. I too hope with the changes you suggest that Willie's system will run well - it sure has been a pain in the butt to say the least! Have a good one... Gunner ___________________________________________________

"TomG" wrote:

good luck with it and I think the slew rate adjustments in my first post may be helpful...

--

Thomas Geery
Network+ certified

Gunner · Jul 6, 2003

Bob - I know for sure Willie is using "CT" Bios, but I'm also sure that the lockups were happening to him with the previous 9M Bios too. Of course, NONE of the tweaks had been applied while he was running that Bios version either. Anyway, Willie is working through the changes TomG suggested (mem voltage, slew rate) and we shall see what happens. I'm sure Willie will report back to the group on what has happened and/or what is going on. I did talk with him this morning and so far after setting the mem volts up one notch from the default the system has been running for a day and hasn't locked yet. Maybe things are finally looking up after all this time and frustration.

Thanks... Gunner
_________________________________________________________

"Bob Troll" wrote:

You didn't mention which bios version you are using with the board but try the 9M bios with the 4, 04, 0D settings as Tom G suggested and see what happens then.

My KG7 as well as many others have had issues with the newer bioses.

Bob 'machine warrior" Troll

Willie wrote:
First I want to apologize for cross posting this problem. I first posted to Microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support. but I have had ...

****************************************************************************

****

Event Type: Error
Event Source: Service Control Manager
Event Category: None
Event ID: 7023
Date: 7/3/2003
Time: 12:43:37 PM
User: N/A
Computer: WC1
Description:
The IPSEC Services service terminated with the following error:
...

****************************************************************************

****

Event Type: Error
Event Source: Service Control Manager
Event Category: None
Event ID: 7023
Date: 7/3/2003
Time: 12:43:37 PM
User: N/A
Computer: WC1
Description:
The Uninterruptible Power Supply service terminated with the following ...

****************************************************************************

****

Can anyone please help?

Willie · Jul 6, 2003

You are right, I realized later that I should have included in my post which bios version I am running. Sorry about that. I see my friend Gunner has responded to your post and correctly filled you in on that so I will not repeat what he has already posted. I want to thank you for the suggestion and may try it later after trying the steps suggested by Tom G. while still running the "CT" bios. As of now my computer has been running for more than 24 hours non-stop after changing the DR voltage to 2.70 with no lock-ups. The jury is still out as to how long it will run without a lock-up, I need it to run for several days before I am convinced the problem has been solved. In the meantime I still have more questions that I will direct toward Tom G to clarify his suggestions, and will make another post as soon as I finish this one. I find it difficult to adequately express my sincere thanks for your input as well as all others who have taken their valuable time to respond to my posts. For the first time in months I feel as though I am on the right track towards getting this nagging problem solved.

"Gunner" wrote:

Bob - I know for sure Willie is using "CT" Bios, but I'm also sure that the lockups were happening to him with the previous 9M Bios too. Of course, NONE of the tweaks had been applied while he was running that Bios version either. Anyway, Willie is working through the changes TomG suggested (mem voltage, slew rate) and we shall see what happens. I'm sure Willie will report back to the group on what has happened and/or what is going on. I did talk with him this morning and so far after setting the mem volts up one notch from the default the system has been running for a day and hasn't locked yet. Maybe things are finally looking up after all this time and frustration.

Thanks... Gunner
_________________________________________________________

"Bob Troll" wrote:

You didn't mention which bios version you are using with the board but try the 9M bios with the 4, 04, 0D settings as Tom G suggested and see what happens then.

My KG7 as well as many others have had issues with the newer bioses.

Bob 'machine warrior" Troll

Willie wrote:
First I want to apologize for cross posting this problem. I first
posted to Microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support. but I have had no responce and I have realized this may be a more appropriate place ...

****************************************************************************

****

Event Type: Error
Event Source: Service Control Manager
Event Category: None
Event ID: 7023
Date: 7/3/2003
Time: 12:43:37 PM
User: N/A
Computer: WC1
Description:
The IPSEC Services service terminated with the following error:
...

****************************************************************************

****

Event Type: Error
Event Source: Service Control Manager
Event Category: None
Event ID: 7023
Date: 7/3/2003
Time: 12:43:37 PM
User: N/A
Computer: WC1
Description:
The Uninterruptible Power Supply service terminated with the following ...

****************************************************************************

****

Can anyone please help?

Willie · Jul 6, 2003

I feel like progress is being made for the first time in months toward solving this problem that has been nagging me for months. Wow! does that ever feel great!

On 7/4/03 at 1510 I changed the softmenu bios setting from 2.65 (Default) to
2.70 volts for DDR memory and ran my computer for the rest of the day without any lock-up problems. Because I made that change before receiving your suggestions I decided to continue running the computer without making any further changes until it proves out to have or have not stopped the lock-ups. I started my computer yesterday morning around 0600 and have run it nonstop until present time. Although I feel encouraged by the fact there has been no lock ups yet, the jury is still out until it runs for several days with no problems because in the past it has ran for a few days with no problems and about the time I began to have hopes the problem was solved it would lock up again. At other times it would lock-up once a day or as many as three times in a day. And now finally I come to the burning question for me. If the voltage change solves the problem should I leave well enough alone? After reading and re-reading this thread and more specifically your suggestions, I am starting to believe that it may be important to start at the top of your list and experiment with the CPU Slew rate and /or the Control CPU P/N Value then try to set the DDR voltage back to default. Thanks in advance for any future help you may be able to provide. sent with much respect and admiration....Willie

"TomG" wrote:

--
To gain stability on the KG7 running 5W or 68 or 8S (and most likely 9M) bios with an XP CPU, try the following:

One suggestion for bios settings is to set the CPU Slew rate to 6 or 7

under

Advanced Chipset Features, Chipset Driving Control, Control CPU P/N.

Another bios setting suggestion from Abit is to change the Control CPU P/N Value (there are three settings in this area of the bios) to "4" "04" "0D" in the same area of the bios. You may want to run Memtest again after all of the above and see if you can set the DDR voltage back to default, assuming you had to raise it to begin with.

Get a copy of Memtest (available on my server at the address below under /Utilities) and test your memory. If you get memory errors, you may need to raise the DDR voltage to 2.70 or 2.75 volts.

Finally, if all else fails, try running 5E bios. Even if you have an XP 2000+ your cpu will still run at rated speed because the multiplier is locked in the cpu so as long as the FSB is at the correct speed for your cpu, the system will run at rated speed.

--

Thomas Geery
Network+ certified
... has been having random lock-ups for months now and no matter what, I cannot get
this thing to run without having these random lockups. There is no
pattern - it can lock up 3-4 times a day and sometimes only 1 time a

day.

It can go for a few days and not lockup, That's why I'm frustrated...

no

pattern AT ALL!

My System is: Windows XP Home (SP1), Athlon 1800+ Processor, ABIT KG7-RAID
Mobo, 2-512 MB PC2100 DDR Memory Sticks, all the latest updates, etc., etc.

This is what I've done to try and solve the problem so far...

1. I have replaced my power supply with a known good one, so that "should"
rule that out for the moment,
... they all appear OK,
4. I have seated/re-seated my PCI Cards (Graphics, Modem, Sound, USB).
These are all seated correctly,
5. My CPU/Box temps are all good as in not overheated.

I'm running out of options. Is it the Mobo, mem, software, etc., etc.,
etc.? I simply don't know. I have Dr. Watson running, but it shows no
software problems when the lockups occur. I'm therefore assuming that it's
a hardware issue. With that thought in mind, I went to event viewer (under
System) and the following entries were shown when the last lockup occurred and these entries were shown as errors. Here are the 2 entries and maybe
this offers some clues...

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Event Type: Error
Event Source: Service Control Manager
Event Category: None
Event ID: 7023
Date: 7/3/2003
Time: 12:43:37 PM
User: N/A
Computer: WC1
Description:
The IPSEC Services service terminated with the following error:
...

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Event Type: Error
Event Source: Service Control Manager
Event Category: None
Event ID: 7023
Date: 7/3/2003
Time: 12:43:37 PM
User: N/A
Computer: WC1
Description:
The Uninterruptible Power Supply service terminated with the following ...

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Can anyone please help?

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Best Regards....... Willie

TomG · Jul 6, 2003

Like I told Gunner, don't fix it if it ain't broke. if you get stability out of just raising the DDR voltage, then enjoy the system and move on, personal opinion.

Willie · Jul 7, 2003

Well Gang,
I have been running my system since 0600 on 7/5/03 nonstop without a single lock-up. I am now confident enough to say YiPPPEEeeeeeee! I think we can run the flag up on this one. I can't even begin to adequately express my feeling of gratitude to everyone who has offered suggestions on how to solve my problem and also the relief I feel after finally having a system that is running the way it should. BTW... the fix seems to be from changing the DR voltage to 2.70 in the bios. Many thanks to one and all... Best regards...Willie

"Willie" wrote:

First I want to apologize for cross posting this problem. I first posted

to

Microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support. but I have had no responce

and

I have realized this may be a more appropriate place to post.
And now the problem:
I'm having a problem that is driving me absolutely crazy! My computer has been having random lock-ups for months now and no matter what, I cannot get this thing to run without having these random lockups. There is no pattern - it can lock up 3-4 times a day and sometimes only 1 time a day. It can go for a few days and not lockup, That's why I'm frustrated... no pattern AT ALL!

My System is: Windows XP Home (SP1), Athlon 1800+ Processor, ABIT

KG7-RAID

Mobo, 2-512 MB PC2100 DDR Memory Sticks, all the latest updates, etc.,

etc.

This is what I've done to try and solve the problem so far...

1. I have replaced my power supply with a known good one, so that

"should"

rule that out for the moment,
2. I have moved, replaced my mem sticks till I'm blue in the face. Sometimes, the system won't boot after I've moved the mem around, and

after

I put the sticks in/out a few times it WILL boot. I am putting the mem sticks in the correct slots (there are 4 on this board) according to the Mobo manual,
3. I have checked/re-checked ALL the cables (IDE, Floppy, Power) and they all appear OK,
4. I have seated/re-seated my PCI Cards (Graphics, Modem, Sound, USB). These are all seated correctly,
5. My CPU/Box temps are all good as in not overheated.

I'm running out of options. Is it the Mobo, mem, software, etc., etc., etc.? I simply don't know. I have Dr. Watson running, but it shows no software problems when the lockups occur. I'm therefore assuming that it's a hardware issue. With that thought in mind, I went to event viewer

(under

System) and the following entries were shown when the last lockup occurred and these entries were shown as errors. Here are the 2 entries and maybe this offers some clues...

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****

Event Type: Error
Event Source: Service Control Manager
Event Category: None
Event ID: 7023
Date: 7/3/2003
Time: 12:43:37 PM
User: N/A
Computer: WC1
Description:
The IPSEC Services service terminated with the following error:
...

referenced.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.

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Event Type: Error
Event Source: Service Control Manager
Event Category: None
Event ID: 7023
Date: 7/3/2003
Time: 12:43:37 PM
User: N/A
Computer: WC1
Description:
The Uninterruptible Power Supply service terminated with the following ...

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Can anyone please help?

--
Best Regards....... Willie

TomG · Jul 7, 2003

Lets hope it stays "fixed" for you Willie. If not, though, remember the other adjustments as well...