Safari 4 (beta)

I have done, and I'm prone to the odd whinge. I reported that thing
about Quick Look and the arrow keys, which I think is important for us
keyboard-oriented types.

 

Umm. I wouldn't do that with a beta download, even from Saint Apple.

 

Compare with rsync which is absolutely free and has superb support.
Hell, compare with ditto and asr, which are free.

There's a level at which I think that the GUI is bling-bling ...

 

The upside is that the Top Sites could be arranged to my liking.

The downside is that if I close Safari and later open it some of the sites in
Top Sites are no longer there and some of the "pinned" sites have been moved
to new locations.

 

For some, yes. Others may want nothing but cool shiny stuff. Others may
want both. Still others........

Shame on the World, then!

Nothing of the sort.

 

Heh. Michelle is one of the most consistently helpful and knowledgeable
folk around here.

 

Apple *cannot* solve your "LAST MB" problem because Apple never ships a
system that only has 1MB available. The only way to get into your
situation is to spend time loading stuff, and the only way to get out of
it is to spend time micro-managing disk space. I don't know how much
you make an hour, but it's got to be pretty damn low if the value
proposition exists for squeezing a HD down to the last MB. I think it
is you who is ignoring the real costs involved.

Not nearly as much as you seem to think it is. It may even represent a
net cost in time. Whenever resources are low such that you have to make
a special effort to manage them, that's time you're not spending on a
more profitable endeavor. Being cheap doesn't always save you money;
every Mac owner should already understand that.

No, I don't take that into account because I don't know it to be true to
any significant extent. They might be able to easily halve the disk
usage by eliminating PPC code, but it'd take a lot more work to halve
the RAM usage of the Intel code that's already necessarily there. Even
if they managed significant savings, it still isn't much of a bullet
point. Saving $1 of HD or $20 of RAM just isn't going to sell a $128 OS.

 

I'll wager that well before 10.5.7 is released that won't be an issue.

 

My dozen years as a software quality assurance test engineer says
otherwise.

You, on the other hand, have proven with your remarks on this newsgroup,
that you don't know a thing about software development.

My job as an SQA test engineer was to see things from the customers'
side, and I was damn good at that job.

Pot, kettle, black.

Only those who refuse to learn don't learn.

 

*blush* Thank ye, kind sir.

 

No one is denying you that right. But we have an equal right to tell
you that you're full of shit. You appear to want to deny us that right.

Some people, for sure, and I'm one of them. Most people, though, is
debatable, and unprovable, at least at this time.

By your reasoning, Apple should not have included the Terminal or
Console applications because most people don't, and probably will never,
use them.

Apple has many more customers than just you; just because you don't like
or want something doesn't mean that no one likes or wants it. In other
words, "bling" is not defined as something that an anonymous whiner
doesn't like.

 

This discussion shows just the opposite. It appears that you are the
one who objects to reasonable discussion; otherwise, you wouldn't be
complaining about people who counter your specious arguments.

That's not a fact.

 

You are full of shit.

 

Got any third-party plug ins?

 

Umm. I wouldn't do that with a beta download, even from Saint Apple.[/QUOTE]

I just tried it, for a simple browse of my transactions and a download
of my recent transactions.

No problem.

Wells Fargo

-- Michelle

 

The problem is that it not only takes up space whether you want it or
not, but always seems to come at the price of some simpler, more
useful features.[/QUOTE]

That applies to everything. Apple includes mail.app, but some people
never use it. Apple includes QuickTime Player, but some people never
use it. Heck, some people never use iPhoto or iTunes. I don't use
Garage Band.

-- Michelle

 

The first part of her statement is certainly true, but what about the
last part?[/QUOTE]

Unprovable; the contrary is likewise unprovable. Well, her use of
"always" makes it most probably false.

I wonder whether she can provide any examples of a simpler, more useful,
feature being left out because of the inclusion of another feature.

 

I am pretty obsessive about keeping my system bang up to date and am
never put off by reports of problems when running Software Upddate, but
installing a beta version of one of my most important tools? No thanks.

So I am slightly surprised by how many people are running Safari 4. I am
not complaining of course, the more beta testers the fewer problems
there will be when Safari 4 finally shows up in Software Update. Good on
you.

Ian

 

Don't forget that Safari 1 originally was released as a public beta.
For that matter, so was Mac OS X.

Keep in mind that public betas are released only after much internal and
private beta testing.

And although Safari is an important tool, it's not one that can easily
(if at all) lead to loss of data as, say, a word processing or
spreadsheet program can.

And there's an uninstaller, so if you don't like it, you can easily
revert.

But that said, I'm happy to be testing for you.

 

None 3rd party. Strange that QT 7.6 shows twice though. Anyway, I
disabled plug-ins and the ACID3 test passes.

I'm going to have to start looking at the list of plug-ins.

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