The Pentium-D 820 mystery -- apparently not compatible with nF4-SLI (Intel) chip-set ....

Discussion in 'Gigabyte' started by John Lewis, May 30, 2005.

  1. John Lewis

    John Lewis Guest

    Nope, you are thinking of the even-numbered CPUs in the 5xx series
    540,550 etc... Some odd-numbered ones are coming with 64-bit
    enabled.... and people said that AMD's processor numbering scheme
    is screwed up ? Nothing in comparison to Intel's present mess.
    What other stupid company would give a Pentium-D (dual-core with no
    HT) and the Pentium Extreme (dual-core with HT) exactly the same
    number --- 840.

    The 6xx and 8xx have EM64T enabled. How well does Intel's
    64-bit hardware work ? Nobody has yet done a side-by-side
    comparison of Intel's implementation with either the A64
    RevE (with SSE3) or the X2.


    John Lewis
     
    John Lewis, Jun 4, 2005
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  2. John Lewis

    Xocyll Guest

    (Bob) looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
    spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
    Because the stress test is measuring the actual performance over a
    period of time, task manager is only telling you the percentage of
    AVAILABLE CPU that is being used.

    IE if the processor is running at half speed, 3dmark is going to spit
    out a final number that is considerably smaller than it would if it were
    running at full speed.
    Task Manager on the other hand will tell you it's using 100% of cpu to
    rip dvds whether the cpu is running at full or at half speed- the TIME
    the ripping takes will be different, but the cpu usage will be the same.

    Xocyll
     
    Xocyll, Jun 4, 2005
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  3. John Lewis

    Xocyll Guest

    (Bob) looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
    spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
    Since AMD is also an American company and they AREN'T doing this, i'd
    say you're way off base here.

    Intel is fully capable of shooting off their feet without help from the
    government.

    Xocyll
     
    Xocyll, Jun 4, 2005
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  4. John Lewis

    steamKILLER Guest

    x-no-archive: yes

    this topic is of IMMENSE IMPORTANCE!
    let me repeat... of immense importance!
    you should have "broken" the thread instead of only renaming
    the subject...
    i totally oppose any kind of hardware drm implementation, so
    this move by intel only gives me more arguments to support
    AMD the now best cpu maker for the pc

    --
    post made in a steam-free computer
    i said "NO" to valve and steam

    to check authenticity of the real "steamKILLER" reassure that
    the post came from a google server and that the email address
    is ""
     
    steamKILLER, Jun 4, 2005
    #24
  5. John Lewis

    Bob Guest

    How do you know that AMD has not secretly agreed to do the same thing.

    This question needs to be answered: Why did Intel do what they did?
    What's in it for them?
     
    Bob, Jun 4, 2005
    #25
  6. John Lewis

    Conor Guest

    <snip>

    No. I do not live in that totalitarian state known as the USA.
     
    Conor, Jun 4, 2005
    #26
  7. John Lewis

    Bob Guest

    The US is not a totalitarian dictatorship like Britain - not yet
    anyway. It is a fascist dictatorship.

    The distinguishing feature is we have a fully-populated political
    spectrum, from Farleft to FarRight. That alone keeps us from being
    totalitarian.

    Britain, on the other hand, has no Right - despite the fantasy that
    they think they do. Thatcher was a gun-grabbing leftist no different
    from any of the leftists before her. The closest anyone in British
    politics comes to the Right is Ann Widdecome. Yet she too supports
    socialized medicine which disqualifies here from being truly on the
    Right.

    Therefore Britain has no political opposition parties - everyone of
    the parties is leftist, including the BNP.
     
    Bob, Jun 4, 2005
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  8. Congrats, you just found the comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action troll.

    In any case, AMD is a leader of the group bringin in DRM hardware, as they
    are a high-level member of the group:
    https://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/about/members

    He'll have to ditch Microsoft as well - they're in on it too.
     
    Raymond Martineau, Jun 4, 2005
    #28
  9. John Lewis

    Bob Guest

    What the Hell is going on here? Why are American companies selling out
    to this crap? Who's behind this?
    See list below. I guess I should ask who is NOT involved in this.
    SO! That's who's behind this!

    MS will not be satisfied until it makes us all its slaves.

    I remember as a child reading a Donald Duck comic where Scrooge had
    this fantasy of charging everyone for the air they breathe. People had
    to go around with air meters connected to their nose. It would seem
    that Bill Gates read the same comic.

    +++

    Trusted Computing Group Membership

    Promoter
    * AMD
    * Hewlett-Packard
    * IBM
    * Intel Corporation
    * Microsoft
    * Sony Corporation
    * Sun Microsystems, Inc.

    Contributor
    * Agere Systems
    * ARM
    * ATI Technologies Inc.
    * Atmel
    * AuthenTec, Inc.
    * AVAYA
    * Broadcom Corporation
    * Certicom Corp.
    * Citrix Systems, Inc
    * Comodo
    * Dell, Inc.
    * Endforce, Inc.
    * Ericsson Mobile Platforms AB
    * Extreme Networks
    * France Telecom Group
    * Freescale Semiconductor
    * Fujitsu Limited
    * Fujitsu Siemens Computers
    * Funk Software, Inc.
    * Gemplus
    * Giesecke & Devrient
    * Hitachi, Ltd.
    * Infineon
    * InfoExpress, Inc.
    * InterDigital Communications
    * iPass
    * Juniper Networks
    * Lenovo Holdings Limited
    * Lexmark International
    * M-Systems Flash Disk Pioneers
    * Meetinghouse Data Communications
    * Motorola Inc.
    * National Semiconductor
    * nCipher
    * NEC
    * Network Associates
    * Nevis Networks, USA
    * Nokia
    * NTRU Cryptosystems, Inc.
    * NVIDIA
    * OSA Technologies, Inc
    * Philips
    * Phoenix
    * Pointsec Mobile Technologies
    * Renesas Technology Corp.
    * Ricoh Company LTD
    * RSA Security, Inc.
    * SafeNet, Inc.
    * Samsung Electronics Co.
    * SCM Microsystems, Inc.
    * Seagate Technology
    * SignaCert, Inc.
    * Sinosun Technology Co., Ltd.
    * SMSC
    * STMicroelectronics
    * Sygate Technologies, Inc.
    * Symantec
    * Symbian Ltd
    * Synaptics Inc.
    * Texas Instruments
    * Transmeta Corporation
    * Trend Micro
    * UPEK, Inc.
    * Utimaco Safeware AG
    * VeriSign, Inc.
    * Vernier Networks
    * Vodafone Group Services LTD
    * Wave Systems
    * Winbond Electronics Corporation
    * Zone Labs, Inc.

    Adopter
    * Apere, Inc
    * BigFix, Inc.
    * Caymas Systems
    * Cirond
    * ConSentry Networks
    * CPR Tools, Inc.
    * Credant Technologies
    * Enterasys Networks
    * Fiberlink Communications
    * Foundry Networks Inc.
    * Foundstone, Inc.
    * Industrial Technology Research Institute
    * Lockdown Networks
    * Marvell Semiconductor, Inc.
    * MCI
    * PC Guardian Technologies
    * Roving Planet
    * Safend LTD.
    * Sana Security
    * Senforce Technologies, Inc
    * Silicon Integrated Systems Corp.
    * Silicon Storage Technology, Inc.
    * Softex, Inc.
    * StillSecure
    * Swan Island Networks, Inc.
    * Telemidic Co. Ltd.
    * Toshiba Corporation
    * TriCipher, Inc.
    * ULi Electronics Inc.
    * Unisys
    +++
     
    Bob, Jun 4, 2005
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  10. Seems as if big-brothers Intel and M$$ have our true interests
    Bill Gates will finally get his wish "to make the Chinese finally PAY for
    software."

    This is an issue that is not going to go away. Why? Because the overwhelming
    majority of PC buyers are average Joe Americans who spend too much time
    watching TV "reality" shows and "American Idol" and not enough time paying
    attention to where the nation is going, if any.

    DRM will get slipped in, just as "activation" and "dongles" got slipped
    in--a phased approach over time. How? By dangling carrots in front of us. In
    order to use that fantastic new software that you have your eye on, you'll
    need Intels new DRM chip to run it. Eventually, Microsoft's Palladium core
    will appear in a major OS release, and the marriage between Intel and
    Microsoft will be consummated. And Apple is next... to get Intel chips. The
    Mac won't be impervious to this menace. With it's announcement recently that
    it will be ditching the PowerPC chips in favor of Intel CPUs, the new
    relationship, in light of this DRM issue, takes on an ominous overtone.

    In short, I think it's going to be a reality, and will eventually get
    accepted by the masses and grudgingly accepted by the power users, as they
    find themselves left behind running yesteryear's software. With HDTV coming
    of age, and the coming crop of HDTV editing applications for PCs, the carrot
    will be a big one. One could conceivably be forced to buy one of these Intel
    DRM'ed chips and a new MS OS with Palladium, in order to run the new HDTV
    editing programs. It's that, or be left in the stone age of standard def TV
    editing on Windows 2000/XP.

    The only hope of slowing this down would be a big public education campaign.
    But with the corporate-controlled media, that will not happen.


    --
    Take care,

    Mark & Mary Ann Weiss

    VIDEO PRODUCTION . FILM SCANNING . DVD MASTERING . AUDIO RESTORATION
    Hear my Kurzweil Creations at: http://www.dv-clips.com/theater.htm
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    Mark & Mary Ann Weiss, Jun 5, 2005
    #30
  11. John Lewis

    Anthropy Guest

    Mmmm. you should stick to computers. politics just ain't your thing.
    "Margaret Thatcher was a leftist" and "the BNP is a leftist party"
    Next you'll be saying that Hitler was a misunderstood lefty, right?
     
    Anthropy, Jun 5, 2005
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  12. John Lewis

    Bob Guest

    Mmmm. you should stick to computers. politica just ain't your thing.

    Margaret Thatcher was and still is most definitely a leftist. She
    embraces the NHS (National Health Service - socialized medicine) just
    like every politician in Britain, including the BNP. That keeps them
    from being on the Right.

    Furthermore, Thatcher was responsible for massive gun confiscation
    from law-abiding citizens. There is no way that she could be anywhere
    near the Right on that account.

    You, like the leftist queers in Britain, have been brainwashed by the
    old Nazi ploy of claiming that "fascists" are on the Right. Nothing
    could be further from the truth.

    If you spent your time reading political philosophy and not waste it
    making a fool of yourself on Usenet, you would have read Hayek's
    masterpiece "The Road to Serfdom", in which he devotes a full chapter
    to debunking the bullshit that the Nazis were on the Right. The
    acronym "NAZI" stands for "National Socialist Workers Party".

    What part of "socialist" do you believe belongs to the Right?


    --

    Map of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
    http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/vrwc.html

    "Nothing in the world can take the place of perseverence. Talent
    will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
    Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education
    will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and
    determination alone are omnipotent."
    --Calvin Coolidge
     
    Bob, Jun 5, 2005
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  13. John Lewis

    John Lewis Guest

    John Lewis, Jun 6, 2005
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  14. John Lewis

    Rico Guest

    Which of course would explain why Hitler loved and embraced the principles
    of communism. He was a lefty, wasn't it obvious?

    (Oh, and "Nazi" isn't an acronym, it's a contraction of
    "Nationalsozialismus." But to your point, I think you'll find it's the
    Nazis who didn't understand "socialism" ... since they left industry in
    private hands and ran a totalitarian government.)

    Also, Intel has said they're not putting "unannounced DRM" into their chips.
    I suppose by saying that they've just announced it? This link was on
    Slashdot today:

    http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23708

    Rico
     
    Rico, Jun 6, 2005
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  15. John Lewis

    Bob Guest

    The original meaning of Left was statist. The Right was anarchist.
    That came from the seating arrangement in the post-Napoleonic French
    Parliament.

    Both Communists and Fascists are Statists which puts them both solidly
    on the Left.
    Pedantic nitpicking.

    But to your point, I think you'll find it's the
    Fascism has two meanings, one political and one economic. The economic
    meaning is where the govt controls industry that is owned privately.
    By contrast socialism is where govt controls industry that is owned
    publically. In both instances it is the govt control that puts both
    fascism and socialism squarely on the Left.
    "Big Brother Inside!"

    --

    Map of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
    http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/vrwc.html

    "Nothing in the world can take the place of perseverence. Talent
    will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
    Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education
    will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and
    determination alone are omnipotent."
    --Calvin Coolidge
     
    Bob, Jun 6, 2005
    #35
  16. John Lewis

    Rico Guest

    Do you realize that makes Karl Marx a right-winger? He certainly wasn't a
    statist. Marx felt that the state was a necessary evil that would
    eventually wither away and disappear in a true communist society. Sounds
    like an anarchist, eh?

    Now I know you'll accuse me of being a pedant, but the French Revolution
    "Right" supported an absolute monarchy - not true anarchy. Certainly none
    of that democracy crap would be allowed - which would mean the U.S. in WWII
    would have also been a bunch of lefties by your definition. ;-)
    Oh, I'm sorry. I'll try not to point out your errors in the future and just
    agree with you. But gosh, you like made an all caps "NAZI" and put quotes
    around the wrong translation for it... there's only so much a person can
    take you know!
     
    Rico, Jun 7, 2005
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  17. John Lewis

    John Lewis Guest

    See:-

    http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050603/index.html

    for all the sordid details.

    ( If you are browsing the 'live' pages in this report, frequently
    refresh them in your browser ! Otherwise you are likely to be looking
    at stale cached information.... )

    AMD's dual-core keeps chugging along in the midst of the Intel
    debacle. In the earlier tests when SLI was actually fully running, a
    maximum temperature of 60 degrees C for the AMD 4800+ X2
    (99% loaded both cores) was recorded. No AMD crashes. The Intel
    Extreme 840 CPU also in SLI mode, (and between frequent crashes)
    recorded a temperature of 68 degrees C. That was before THG's test
    people gave up on SLI in the midst of fried Intel-compatible
    motherboards. More likely another MB power-regulator failure than SLI
    chip-set failure in the case of the nvidia Northbridge getting very
    hot.... Seems as if some third-party "dual-core-compatible" Intel MBs
    cannot survive the power-drain of a fully-loaded Extreme-840 CPU...

    BTW, the Intel recommended maximum temp for the Extreme-840
    processor is 69.8 degrees C.... 68 degrees during the SLI tests is
    running just a little too close....

    Intel desktop dual-core processors are obviously not ready for
    prime-time and probably never will be while based on the P4 Netburst
    architecture and an external memory controller.

    A good time to buy stock in companies providing beefy and reliable PC
    power-supplies, advanced PC cooling solutions and room
    air-conditioners. Buy the products yourself if you ever go the Intel
    dual-core route.

    John Lewis
     
    John Lewis, Jun 10, 2005
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  18. John Lewis

    tk Guest

    LOL This line of reasoning comes up every upgrade from BOTH sides.
    Lets pray both chips rock and both companies stay in business.
    That's the best outcome for consumers ;-)
     
    tk, Jun 11, 2005
    #38
  19. John Lewis

    geno_cyber Guest

    If you read recent news Intel is going to switch over updated and multi-core Pentium M technology
    for everything by next year.
    Right now a Dual Xeon setup it's the best bet anyway even if they are Prescott core based the server
    package and core themselves are way better than the desktop Prescott thing...
    Also, Pentium D and Pentium 4 Prescott based products cost as much as a Xeon 2.8GHz FSB800 socket604
    CPU.. so buying a Dual Xeon PC it's not that expensive like it was in the past.
     
    geno_cyber, Jun 18, 2005
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  20. John Lewis

    Phil K Guest

    Bobwrote
    On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 02:27:10 GMT, "Rico
    <
    The original meaning of Left was statist. The Right was anarchist
    That came from the seating arrangement in the post-Napoleonic Frenc
    Parliament

    Both Communists and Fascists are Statists which puts them bot
    solidl
    on the Left.[/quote:5d6032acf1
    I have to say "bob" you're posts had me in hysterics of laughter
    Britain the fascist state, closely followed by Thatcher being
    leftie....then more and more utter codswallop. I have read umptee
    extreme right loonies ranting incessantly while hugging their M16 t
    their heaving bosom... :D ...but you, matey, are one of th
    looniest
    And Rico - your patience with him is commendable ! (Or of course yo
    probably spent the entire time sniggering at him as you typed, eh ?
     
    Phil K, Dec 6, 2005
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