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Trying to get a Sun Sunblade 150 to work

Discussion in 'Sun Hardware' started by Barry OGrady, Oct 15, 2008.

  1. Barry OGrady

    Barry OGrady Guest

    I bought a Sunblade 150 from an auction. It had no RAM so I
    installed 2 x 256 PC-133. I know they should be ECC but I don't
    know if the ones I put in are. It had a PCI graphics card installed
    which I can't use because I don't have anything with the 60 pin
    video connector that card has.
    I connected a monitor to the onboard VGA and a standard
    keyboard and mouse to the USB connectors.
    When I push the power button the fans spin up, and after a
    few seconds I get a single beep, the power light flashes a few
    times then stays on, but I get no video. The lights on the keyboard
    don't flash and the optical mouse light does not come on. I wondered
    if the video output was being sent to the PCI card so I tried it with
    the card unplugged. I even tried a couple of PCI video cards with
    a standard connector.
    I haven't yet tried connecting a terminal to the serial port.

    I'm open to suggestions as it seems a nice machine and it
    cam with a SunPCi/3 card.

    Barry
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    Barry OGrady, Oct 15, 2008
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  2. Its doubtful that the memory you put in is working. The Blade150
    didn't take normal PC memory, didn't you have to force in the DIMMs
    you had? The SunBlade150 doesn't take normal PC memory..

    60 pin?? Eh?
    The video cards that went into the SunBlade150 should either have
    the normal HD15 VGA connector, or a 13W3 connector.

    Maybe that was a SCSI card?
    I'd start with the right memory. I'd be very surprised if the memory
    you had worked, and surprised it even fit in the slots..
    MemoryX.net has 512M DIMMs for $60 each. You can take it up to 1GB of
    RAM which should be fine for most things, or 2GB if you wish.

    Next step would be a console connector with the keyboard unplugged.
     
    Doug McIntyre, Oct 15, 2008
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  3. Barry OGrady

    Barry OGrady Guest

    From the Sunblade 150 promotional pdf;
    Memory
    2 GB maximum, error correction SDRAM, four DIMM slots,
    PC133 168-pin DIMMs (256-MB, and 512-MB DIMMs)

    I thought blades were single board server cards that plug into a rack,
    but the Sunblade 150 is a desktop machine.
    Its a
    Matrox Millennium G200 Graphics Card - G2+/DUALP-PL
    16MB

    The connector looks rather like a DVI connector but with more pins
    I also remembered I have another Matrox dual card and adapter
    cables to VGA.
    But alas, still no video.
    Are you familiar with the SunPCi/3 card? Its a PCI card that allows
    the Sunblade 150 to run Solaris and Windows at the same time.
    It has an AMD Mobile Athlon 1600+ (1.4 Ghz) and 256 MB of
    DDR RAM, so it should be quite good if I get it working.
    I have now tried that and I got the following endlessly repeated.

    RED State Exception

    TL=0000.0000.0000.0005 TT=0000.0000.0000.0010
    TPC=0000.0000.f000.4200 TnPC=0000.0000.f000.4204 TSTATE=0000.0000.1500.1500
    TL=0000.0000.0000.0004 TT=0000.0000.0000.0010
    TPC=0000.0000.f000.4200 TnPC=0000.0000.f000.4204 TSTATE=0000.0000.1500.1500
    TL=0000.0000.0000.0003 TT=0000.0000.0000.0010
    TPC=0000.0000.f000.4680 TnPC=0000.0000.f000.4684 TSTATE=0000.0000.1500.1500
    TL=0000.0000.0000.0002 TT=0000.0000.0000.0034
    TPC=0000.0000.f000.0c78 TnPC=0000.0000.f000.0c7c TSTATE=0000.0000.1500.1500
    TL=0000.0000.0000.0001 TT=0000.0000.0000.0063
    TPC=0000.0000.f003.7094 TnPC=0000.0000.f003.7098 TSTATE=0000.0000.1500.1600


    RED State Exception

    TL=0000.0000.0000.0005 TT=0000.0000.0000.0010
    TPC=0000.0000.f000.4200 TnPC=0000.0000.f000.4204 TSTATE=0000.0044.5600.1500
    TL=0000.0000.0000.0004 TT=0000.0000.0000.0010
    TPC=0000.0000.f000.4200 TnPC=0000.0000.f000.4204 TSTATE=0000.0044.5600.1500
    TL=0000.0000.0000.0003 TT=0000.0000.0000.0010
    TPC=0000.0000.f000.4200 TnPC=0000.0000.f000.4204 TSTATE=0000.0044.5600.1500
    TL=0000.0000.0000.0002 TT=0000.0000.0000.0010
    TPC=0000.0000.f000.0208 TnPC=0000.0000.f000.020c TSTATE=0000.0044.5600.1500
    TL=0000.0000.0000.0001 TT=0000.0000.0000.0010
    TPC=0000.0000.f000.0064 TnPC=0000.0000.f000.0068 TSTATE=0000.0044.5600.0400

    I see its not the same each time.
    Does that mean any thing and is it fatal?

    Barry
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    Barry OGrady, Oct 15, 2008
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  4. [/QUOTE]

    Yes, ECC SDRAM. Not very common in the PC world, you'd tend to know it
    if you had ECC memory sitting around, coming out of your server grade
    machines..


    SunBlades were in the market alot longer ago than blade servers have
    existed. There is a Sun blade server, but long before then, SunBlades
    were all SPARC workstations..


    Yeah, I have a G200 around here too somewhere. I'm not sure there are
    any Sun drivers for it, maybe the previous owner was running Linux or
    something else with different drivers? Its not stock Sun as far as I know..
    The stock FB in the Blade100/150 are pretty pisspoor. If you really
    want it running Solaris, I'd suggest having 1G of DRAM, and getting
    a supported better frame-buffer.

    I have a couple SunPCi first gen cards. They worked alright in my
    SunBlade 100's.


    Well, thats a pretty bad error, but generally indicitive of bad memory.

    This guy here says he put in fresh memory and fixed the same error.

    http://www.sunmanagers.org/pipermail/summaries/2003-April/003539.html
     
    Doug McIntyre, Oct 15, 2008
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  5. Barry OGrady

    DoN. Nichols Guest

    [ ... ]
    So is the Sun Blade 100, and the Sun Blade 2000 and Sun Blade
    2000, which is what I am currently using.

    The SB-1000 and SB-2000 are dual CPU machines -- with up to 1200
    MHz CPUs. THose can hold up to 8 GB of RAM in eight DIMMs.

    [ ... ]
    [ ... ]
    Does "Tried that" include putting in the proper DIMMs? If not,
    you should expect problems.
    It probably means that the DIMMs which you are using are not
    compatible with the machine which you have.

    Enjoy,
    DoN.
     
    DoN. Nichols, Oct 16, 2008
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  6. Barry OGrady

    Barry OGrady Guest

    I tried some 512 MB DIMMs from an AC200. They are ECC.
    I still got the exception and no video, but there is no beep and the power button
    light does not come on.
    From Googling it appears it could be a faulty CPU.
    I took the CPU out and put it back in and reseated the memory but no change.
    With no memory I get
    Invalid memory configuration

    First Memory DIMM must be placed in DIMM1 slot
    Second Memory DIMM must be placed in DIMM2 slot
    Third Memory DIMM must be placed in DIMM3 slot
    Fourth Memory DIMM must be placed in DIMM4 slot

    Thanks.
    Barry
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    Barry OGrady, Oct 16, 2008
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  7. Barry OGrady

    Barry OGrady Guest

    When I read that I remembered I have a Netra AC200 with 2 x 512 DIMMs.
    A Google search suggested they should be suitable and they are ECC,
    but that did not fix the problem.
    With the non-ECC RAM I get a single beep and the power button light
    comes on, but no beep and no power light with the ECC RAM.
    A Google search also suggested that it could be a faulty CPU.
    I removed and replaced the CPU, and reseated the RAM, but no change.
    Thanks for the advice though I had better see if I can make it work first.
    I'll investigate what other machines can use that board.
    Thanks. It seems the SB150 may be critical of memory.

    Barry
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    Barry OGrady, Oct 16, 2008
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  8. * Doug McIntyre:
    That's just wrong. The SB100 (and also the SB150) use standard
    JEDEC-compliant SDRAM-DIMMs, in case of the SB100 it's generic PC133
    with ECC which in fact was quite common in PC servers and PC
    workstations of that time (P3 aera).

    Benjamin
     
    Benjamin Gawert, Oct 16, 2008
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  9. I never had or seen out on my gigs a PC workstation that took ECC
    memory then unless somebody built a workstation out of a server board.

    Servers certainly had it, but RAM rarely ever gets yanked out of a
    server, it usually goes in to stay for some time. Since most of them
    have a large # of DRAM slots, it just accumulates for more memory
    rather than being replaced like in desktops and their small # of DIMM slots.
     
    Doug McIntyre, Oct 16, 2008
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  10. Barry OGrady

    DoN. Nichols Guest

    [ ... ]

    [ ... error messages snipped ... ]
    Here is the description for the 512 MB DIMM for the 150 from the
    FEH:

    512MB 3.3V ECC 10ns
    PC133 SDRAM DIMM
    Option 6181

    Sun Barcode: 370-4151

    and

    512MB 3.3V ECC 10ns
    PC133 SDRAM DIMM
    Option 6181

    Sun Barcode: 370-5678

    So -- are the DIMMs which you tried 3.3.V?
    Are they 10ns -- or slower?
    You did say that they are ECC
    Are they SDRAM

    O.K. Here is what the FEH says fits the AC200:

    512MB 3.3V ECC
    PC133 SDRAM DIMM
    T1/N120/V120
    Option 7092

    Sun Barcode: 370-4281

    Here is what Wikipedia says about the PC133 standard:

    ======================================================================
    PC133 is a computer memory standard defined by the JEDEC. PC133 refers
    to Synchronous DRAM operating at a clock frequency of 133 MHz, on a
    64-bit-wide bus, at a voltage of 3.3 V. PC133 is available in 168 pin
    DIMM and 144 pin SO-DIMM form factors. PC133 was the fastest and final
    SDRAM standard ever approved by the JEDEC, and delivers a bandwidth of
    1064 MB per second ([133 MHz * 64/8]=1064 MB/s). PC133 is backward
    compatible with PC100
    ======================================================================

    They are all PC133, but since Sun gives them different barcodes,
    there is probably some reason why they won't work.
    That sounds like the CPU is working well enough to recognize the
    memory status (working from on-board cache, probably), so you need to
    try it with one of the memorys which Sun *expects* someone to put in a
    SB-150.

    370-5676 128MB
    370-5677 256MB
    370-5678 512MB

    Good Luck,
    DoN.
     
    DoN. Nichols, Oct 16, 2008
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  11. Barry OGrady

    Barry OGrady Guest

    I think you may be right. I saw a post from someone who said he needed to
    put new RAM of just the right type in to make it work.
    I think the reference to a faulty CPU was in a multi CPU setup.
    I'll see if I can find some. Would you know where to look?
    Thanks. I would like to get it working.

    Barry
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    Barry OGrady, Oct 17, 2008
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  12. Barry OGrady

    Barry OGrady Guest

    So do you think the Netra AC200 RAM should work?
    Barry
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    Barry OGrady, Oct 17, 2008
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  13. Hi,

    It uses standard PC133 with ECC and without registers.

    Try http://www.crucial.com, its a crucial company which makes good memorys.

    /michael
     
    Michael Laajanen, Oct 17, 2008
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  14. Hi,

    I don't think the Blade cares about the memory vendor id in the i2C
    memory, but the memory need to work like Suns EOM memory!

    I have a Blade 100 infront of me right now and it uses undected(by
    Solaris) 4x512MB memories from crucial(micron).

    /michael
     
    Michael Laajanen, Oct 17, 2008
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  15. Barry OGrady

    DoN. Nichols Guest

    [ ... ]
    Well ... *I* would go to eBay and use as a search string:

    370-5676, 370-5677, 370-5678

    No luck at the moment -- but keep trying.

    Or -- you *could try this auction instead (found by a search on

    SB-100, SB-150

    250308034085

    which would get you two systems -- *with* DIMMs and disk. One a SB-100
    with 512 MB of RAM, one a SB-150 with 1 GB of RAM. Current auction
    price is: $41.00, The auction ends on the 19th. At that price, it gives
    you memory and two working systems. :) (And yes, the SB-100 and SB-150
    use the same DIMMs.

    For comparison, another eBay auction (290266064124) also found
    only by the search on "SB-100, SB-150" is offering a 256 MB PC133 ECC
    dim for $44.99 Buy-it-now. They guarantee that it works in "Sun Blade
    100, Sun Blade 150," among many other system. Interestingly enough --
    it does *not* say that it will work in the AC200.

    The prices are currently pretty close together -- and you get
    more from the auction with the two systems than from the one with only
    one 256 MB DIMM.

    More detail from that last listing -- it is a 32 MB x 72 format,
    and I don't know whether the AC200 uses the same format. O.K. Another
    eBay search for the AC200 shows that it has its memory in a 64 x 72
    format -- so they *are* different.

    Good Luck,
    DoN.
     
    DoN. Nichols, Oct 17, 2008
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  16. * Barry OGrady:
    I'm not familiar with this machine but if the Netra uses standard
    JEDEC-compliant PC133 ECC SDRAM then yes, it should work. Mind you that
    the Sun Blade 1x0 needs unregistered/unbuffered memory.

    Benjamin
     
    Benjamin Gawert, Oct 18, 2008
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  17. * Doug McIntyre:
    Then you just haven't seen much. ECC was not only used in workstations
    where someone used a server board (which is a silly idea for several
    reasons btw). Workstations using workstation boards use ECC, and in
    fact, outside the homuser-building-a-PC-from-the-cheapest-crap-available
    community ECC was (and is) quite common.
    Workstations, too. Even better standard PCs could be ordered with ECC
    memory.
    It does, and quite often. HP, Kingston, Transcend and others make a lot
    of money from memory upgrades or servers. And I have upgraded lots of
    servers in the last decade or so. Simply because the memory requirements
    often change over time.
    More memory means more heat and power consumptions and more heat means
    even more power consumptions (AirCon), so no, often it's cheaper to rip
    out the old small modules instead of just adding some more.

    Besides that: regarding SDRAM, servers (and workstations) with lots of
    memory slots use registered/buffered memory which is a different type of
    memory.

    Benjamin
     
    Benjamin Gawert, Oct 18, 2008
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  18. * Michael Laajanen:
    Just as an information: Crucial is the online and end user distribution
    of Micron, and Micron is one of the biggest memory manufacturers.
    Companies like IBM, HP and Dell buy their workstation and server memory
    from Micron.

    Benjamin
     
    Benjamin Gawert, Oct 18, 2008
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  19. Hi,

    typo of me it should have been "its a micron company" just as you say :)


    /michael
     
    Michael Laajanen, Oct 19, 2008
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  20. Barry OGrady

    Barry OGrady Guest

    Thanks for that. I finally decided to buy a SB150 through Ebay.
    Its a bit pricey but it has one gig of RAM, two 80 gig hard drives, and
    a SunPCi card. I intend to try the RAM from it in my current machine.
    Barry
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    Barry OGrady, Oct 21, 2008
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