usb drive question

Discussion in 'Dell' started by pemo, Oct 10, 2007.

  1. pemo

    RnR Guest

    I'm not 100% sure but if memory serves me right win95 was only good
    for usb 1 or 1.1 not usb 2.0 so I don't think there will be a usb 2
    driver for win95 but you are best to check from the memory stick mfgr
    just to be sure of this. And as long as you are at the mfgr. site,
    see what usb 1.1 or 2.0 drivers they do carry for win98, win2k, winXP,
    etc.. in case you decide to upgrade.

    I guess my next to last hope would be to use Google and do a search on
    the "memory stick mfgr name usb drivers for win95" (put the actual
    name where I wrote memory stick mfgr name).

    Last hope would be to find another pc to put files from usb2 to a dvd
    or cd (assuming you have this capability in your laptop) and use the
    cd / dvd to transfer the files to your hard drive.

    Sorry, no more ideas but good luck.
     
    RnR, Oct 11, 2007
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  2. pemo

    wm_walsh Guest

    Hi!
    Well, with XP at least, I could save you the trouble of having to try
    it. I once played around with a "keygen" program and found that in
    addition to taking a long time to do its work, it also didn't produce
    keys that passed Windows Activation.

    Today there is Genuine Advantage as an added roadblock.
    I can understand where you're coming from, and I agree with that
    philosophy completely. There's already far too much in landfills and
    it only gets worse.

    You probably won't enjoy Windows XP running on a Pentium II. It will
    run, and I've seen some PIIs that could run it pretty well. But this
    isn't most machines, especially laptops and those that have anything
    less than 384MB of installed RAM.

    If you have 128MB (preferably more, 256 would be good) or more
    installed RAM, Windows 2000 would be a good bet. Otherwise, pick
    Windows 98 or 98SE.

    In any case, good luck.

    William
     
    wm_walsh, Oct 11, 2007
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  3. There was no such processor as a "Pentium II MMX".

    The sequence was:

    Pentium I
    Pentium MMX (which was still a socket 7 Pentium I)
    Pentium II

    The Pentium I went up to 133MHz, the Pentium MMX started at 166MHz for
    desktop CPUs (there was, however, a Pentium MMX 133MHz mobile CPU).

    Windows 95 OSR2 and laptops with USB ports came in around 1997.
    Desktops with USB ports began appearing in about 1995-1996, although the
    USB ports were not widely used at that time (hardware appeared before
    there was ANY support from ANY OS).
     
    Barry Watzman, Oct 11, 2007
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  4. I am not absolutely certain that there is ANY difference in the OS to
    support USB 2 vs. USB 1; I think it may just be a matter of the drivers
    for the USB port (be it on the motherboard or on a PCI card).
    Originally it was said that Windows 98 would only support USB 1, but
    then some PCI add-in cards came with drivers for USB 2 under Windows 98
    (in fact even a motherboard or two came with such drivers for onboard
    ports). I think that from the perspective of the OS, USB is USB, and
    it's the drivers for the port that determine if USB 2 is supported or not.
     
    Barry Watzman, Oct 11, 2007
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  5. pemo

    RnR Guest

    Barry, you may be right. I didn't think the 2.0 driver was readable
    under win95 but I'm not 100% sure. Google will probably educate both
    of us to see if either one of us is right or something else we both
    overlooked. Perhaps Ben, Stew, Tom or Journey (did I leave someone
    else out ... my apologies but I'm rushing) can remember the details.
     
    RnR, Oct 11, 2007
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  6. pemo

    Journey Guest

    I recommend finding a legal copy. If you're a student you may be able
    to get XP at a good price. If not, you may be able to take a class at
    a local community college in order to qualify.
     
    Journey, Oct 11, 2007
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  7. pemo

    Journey Guest

    I wouldn't waste my time on a USB problem on Win 95. I think Win 98SE
    would have a better chance. At this point though I am only concerned
    with XP and above.
     
    Journey, Oct 11, 2007
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  8. pemo

    S.Lewis Guest


    Real proud.
     
    S.Lewis, Oct 11, 2007
    #28
  9. There is a difference in power. Plug a number of USB2 devices in to a USB
    one port and you will get a warning that the power output of the port has
    been exceeded.
     
    Kevin Childers, Oct 11, 2007
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  10. I doubt if a USB 2 driver that would work under Windows 95 exists. I'm
    not saying that one could not be written, but my feeling is that while
    it may be possible, it hasn't been done. I've seen USB 2 driver for
    Windows 98SE, which uses WDM model drivers .... thus those drivers are
    similar to (perhaps even identical to) an XP driver. I'm not sure that
    I've seen one for Windows 98 (1st edition) and I'm absolutely sure that
    I have not seen one for W95 (the fact that I have not seen one does not
    mean that one doesn't exist .... but since USB 2 didn't come out until
    about 2003, you have to wonder what commercial enterprise would expend
    effort to support such a product on what was then an 8-year old OS).
     
    Barry Watzman, Oct 12, 2007
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  11. So what? Your statement is correct, but does not imply your conclusion.
     
    Barry Watzman, Oct 12, 2007
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  12. With USB 2 most devices used the USB power and the need for external power
    sources was almost totally eliminated. A savings in hardware cost as well
    as electricity.

    USB 2 device therefore are not (NUG) backwards compatible to earlier USB
    ports.

    It goes without saying that it is also a great advantage to portable
    computing.
     
    Kevin Childers, Oct 18, 2007
    #32
  13. pemo

    Ben Myers Guest

    Well, that's what I tried to tell Barry earlier, but he seems to know better...
    Ben Myers
     
    Ben Myers, Oct 18, 2007
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  14. pemo

    Journey Guest

    Most USB 2 external hard drives and printers require separate power.
    Some scanners do, some don't. Often it's good to use the external
    power for a USB 2 hub.
     
    Journey, Oct 18, 2007
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  15. pemo

    Ben Myers Guest

    It is difficult to generalize about USB 2 external hard drives. I have
    assembled and sold some USB external drives with 40GB notebook drives inside.
    They do not require a power supply, and they very likely would draw too much
    power to work properly with a USB 1.1 system. A couple of years ago, one of my
    clients could not get a USB 2.0 FLASH reader working with an older ThinkPad.
    There is a good reason why USB 2.0 PCMCIA (aka PC Card) cards were (and are
    still?) sold.

    On the other hand, 3 1/2" drives in an external USB enclosure inevitably require
    external power.

    I have never seen a USB 2.0 printer that does NOT require external power, but,
    then, I confess to not having seen all the USB 2.0 printers as yet.

    As with any industry standard specification, compatibility of older devices with
    newer motherboards and add-in boards is pretty much guaranteed, but all bets are
    off for using a newer device on an older system. (SCSI and IDE/ATA/ATAPI/PATA
    followed the same sort of evolutionary path.) ... Ben Myers
     
    Ben Myers, Oct 18, 2007
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  16. pemo

    pheeh.zero Guest

    Ben, I'm very surprised that you cussed! ; )
     
    pheeh.zero, Oct 18, 2007
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  17. pemo

    Ben Myers Guest

    Once in a while a word slips out... Ben

     
    Ben Myers, Oct 18, 2007
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  18. Easy to test with some hardware I know requires USB2.0 power levels.

    Next time your in a hotel, with a computer that only has USB1.x ports, ask
    for a "Wireless Bridge".

    USB1.x will always throw a warning that the port power rating has been
    exceeded. Fortunately some one in the process for the RFC process foresaw
    the possibility and the standard includes protection to your PC for just
    such a situation and no harm will be done to you PC.
     
    Kevin Childers, Oct 19, 2007
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